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implying i have 70 friends who don't own Terraria already.
I’ll be your friend (I have never played Terraria)
But do you own it?
Implying i have 70 friends
Hey, friend.
not entirely related but I guarantee you'd have more fun playing some cheap indie game with your close friends on a $800 PC
Ngl your comment made me look up what I could get for ab. $800
RTX 4060 302.15€
Ryzen 5 4500 67.45€
Decent AM4 mainboard 57.07€
Decent CPU air cooler 21.07€
Thermal paste 3.01€
16 GB DDR4 RAM 35.20€
Semi-Modular 600W PSU 75.07€
500GB M.2 NVMe SSD 34.58€
2TB HDD 35.20€
Case 85.61€
Wifi card 25.10€
PC building tutorial: free on YT or just follow the instructions of your case and mainboard...
Software not included so people can look up what Windows officially charges them for showing them ads
That makes 741.51€ or $817.57 for a pretty damn good custom pc... And it could be way less if you went for 2nd hand parts / better deals
I would rather build it myself than buying a cheap prebuilt one from a no name bc a friend of mine tried that and got scammed and realized way too late sadly
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I'm not buying the pro, the PS6 or the next Xbox series console.
This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.
I'll wait until 4 years into the new console gen to decide.
Until then, I have my pc and my 7800xt Nitro+
“Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.
I stopped after the PS3wii360 but I have to say, the PS4 was legit garbage that took FOREVER to load and played like poo (hence why I stopped) but I gotta admit the base PS5 and Xbox whatever are FANTASTIC machines. The AMD video chips and SSDs make a heck of a difference.
PS3wii360
That's pronounced "pthwee sixty"
That’s really the key. The PS4 and even Pro were fighting for their lives by the end of the generation. Anyone who claims the upgrade to a PS5 was “minute” is lying to themselves about their ~~jet engine~~ PS4
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Nah, better lighting doesn't do a damn thing to make a game more fun. The only notable difference that even matters is better load times.
Well from that perspective literally any upgrade at all is entirely pointless and a waste of money. There’s no point upgrading from your Nintendo 64. None of the games made possible by any console since can truly make any games inherently more fun, it’s all just graphical and performance enhancements.
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This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.
Nah, SSDs are a massive upgrade, even ignoring everything else.
I could never go back to the spinning disk hard drives.
Agreed. SSDs are insane. I have every console from the 2600 to the PS3wii360 but stopped at the PS4 Gen because they were terrible.
The PS5 is a wonderful machine (but I’m still only a computer bitch forever now)
PS4 was fantastic! So many great games pushing the system to it's absolute limits like God of War, RDR2, and Bloodborne. Now with the PS5 we get games like God of War 2, Spider Man 2, and Elden Ring. And you can play them all on the PS4. But no, let's release a PS5 pro before even scratching the surface of what the PS5 is capable of
I remember watching my friend play Monster Hunter World and it took like three different 2-3 minute loading screens to get into a hunt.
PS5 is INCREDIBLY powerful, I don’t understand the need for a pro… I fully agree with you there.
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Also gimme Bloodborne for my computer PLEASE and don’t require a PlayStation account AAAAAAAA
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To be fair, the PS5 was the worst investment I made last year. I did never buy a PS4, I own PSX, 2 and 3 tho.
It feels like PS3 was the biggest leap in technology. I loved my PS3, and had a ton of games for it. Since then it's been incremental, faster loading times, incrementally better graphics, and such. The PS5 makes loading screens on Bethesda games tolerable to me
Make no mistake, the 4 pro to the 5 is a huge upgrade. The disk read time from nvme alone is worth the upgrade. But the 5 to 5 pro doesn't really seem like it would be worth buying another console. The 6 might be worth a replacement, but who knows. That's 4 years away.
I think I am going to go Xbox next time around for console games. The PS5 has been a let down in terms of game selection and overall improvements. I actually get mad when I go to look at games in the store and the ads and clips are blurry and low res because Sony dont invest in their backend to stream at a decent resolution.
I bought a meh pc yesterday because Im going to use that moving forward, pay for myinternet once and use it when I want.
If you think the ps5 game selection is bad wait till you see what xbox doesn't have. And everything exclusive to xbox is on PC. Sony has been absolutely mopping the floor with xbox this gen, which is probably why they think people will spend $700 in the pro.
And how's your internet? Because I've never thought the videos on the store were bad enough to complain about. Might not be 4k but its never been blurry for me.
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Remember when some top Sony exec said that this generation wouldn't need a pro, and that that was a unique PS4 generation thing?
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This thing is expensive, and I probably won’t get one.
But the Panasonic 3DO cost $700 in 90s money and that thing sucked ass, so this price isn’t something we’ve never seen before.
Sony does need to read the room, though. It’s a bit of a bad look.
I think Sony is trying for bankruptcy. With that whole PSN thing with, which game was it, Helldivers? Just...who would ever buy anything from Sony ever again?
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I don't think it's worth it, especially if you already own a PS5.
But what did people think it was going to cost?
PS4 was $400 at launch. PS4 Pro was $400 at launch.
Obviously tech is getting more expensive to produce instead of cheaper now, but still, a $200 markup from the base price is pretty damn huge.
PS4 Pro was still obscenely underpowered. Jaguar was terrible at PS4's original launch, and the boost on the Pro was marginal because it was still the same terrible underlying design.
Going into the PS5 pro, everyone projected this pricing, because it's actually modern hardware and their costs have went up instead of down.
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Computing hardware when the PS4 and PS4 pro came out was still in the before times when new hardware meant doing more for the same money. It’s been a minute since those times and that isn’t really something Sony has any control over.
Meanwhile you also have a weird phenomenon that didn’t exist during the PS4 generation where you have a huge spike in inflation between your base console and pro launch. When the PS5 launched at cost $500, but $500 then is more than $600 now. The PS5 pro is really only $100 more in 2024 money than the PS5 was at launch.
Maybe Sony is making the wrong move here but understanding the market and economy as it is today, I’m not sure what else they could have done besides not launch a pro console at all.
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I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should've been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it's not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you'll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.
People don't NEED to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I'd be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.
That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.
It won't come close to a 4080 so that isn't a sensible comparison. I think it's estimated to be slower than the regular 4070.
IDK why you mention 4k and max settings and high frame rates, PS5 Pro won't do these things. It's not even twice as fast as the regular PS5 which in many games drops below 1080p 60fps medium settings.
Which is why I said it's wait and see.
The PS5 already does 4K and higher framerates, for at least most of their optimised first-party games, I'd just expect a Pro version to handle it better on top of more traytracing, otherwise what even would be the point of upgrading for such a high price.
A 4070 is still like €600+, if you want more advanced raytracing stuff you'll have to go for 4080 and up, which means easily exceeding €1000 for a GPU.
This is why I compared the PS5 Pro to the 4080, because they claim to do advanced raytracing on the Pro. Which is why I think a price of €800, which sits between that of a 4070 and 4080, is quite reasonable. People want high visual fidelity on 4K and high framerates, but still expect to pay far less than high-end PC hardware, I don't think that's a realistic expectation.
Watch Digital Foundry, very very few AAA PS5 games can do 4k AND 60fps (which is what I assume you mean by "high framerates", although 60 isn't really that high it's just mid). Probably none of those are doing ray tracing at the same time. Most PS5 games have upscaling enabled at all times because they're rendering at much lower internal resolutions. PS5 Pro is not even twice as powerful, it's not going to be capable of pushing 4x as many pixels per second. There's a reason why they're still talking about their upscaling algorithms.
"Advanced ray tracing" is not a technical term that exists it's just marketing speak. And obviously they couldn't say path tracing because they won't be doing much of that like a 4070 or 4080 can do.
Here Digital Foundry is comparing the PS5Pro to the RTX 3070 Ti, which is much weaker than the 4070 https://youtu.be/W2wOn8zS8dU?t=3577 (the 4070 has more VRAM than the 3070 Ti that they mention there)
The 4070 is similar to the 3080, which is a pretty decent lead over the 3070 Ti. The 4080 is leagues above them all.
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Who is this guy and why should I care what he says?
Edit: Since no one could answer it. He's an indie developer and made a few games. Silver Falls, Clasherball, and Animelee. He also says he's a consultant, based on the video, but I couldn't find anything of him doing that.
So he's slightly a step above a regular guy making some video complaining.
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I regret buying a PS5 at all. I haven't been a PSN subscriber for over three years at this point and I don't feel inclined to be in the future. All the games my friends and I play are on PC and really the only game worth a damn is Astrobot, which is far and away the most fun platformer game I've played and is the sole game to justify that console purchase lol.
I echo the other comments here saying this generation is a waste, it really is and there is nothing really to be gained by getting the latest and "greatest" console today. Maybe it's just a sign of the times that consoles just don't have that much pull like they used to, unless they're portable like the Steam Deck or Switch.
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