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That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


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[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Everybody should have access to clean water. I mean everybody. If I was the President I'd happily enforce that with all powers available.

Then I'd start working my way up the hierarchy of needs...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Elon could single-handedly end world hunger. But he doesn’t.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well, billionaires should not exist. But ending world hunger takes way more than just money. There is enough food already, it's just not evenly distributed. And even in areas where we send aid, local power plays and corruption prevent the fair distribution. Ending world hunger is a hugely complex issue, unfortunately. Of course I'm not saying we shouldn't try or try different approaches. It's just not as simple as saying "feeding all hungry people costs x money, and some billionaire could pay for that"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Clean water and a freaking shitter too!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It does make total sense.

Bezos needed to de-construct a bridge in the Netherlands because his new build yacht wouldn't go through. Fokker paid for it too, probably a fraction of that floating monstrosity. We did not like it one bit but the city of Rotterdam pulled their pants down and bended over.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Don't forget healthcare as well!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Money hoarding is obscene. And worshipping money hoarders is gross.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

So long as I can still choose to skip breakfast when I want.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

Did they fucking stutter? Now chow down that breakfast

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But what about second breakfast?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

grabs guillotine

MAMA WILL FIX IT. 😡🔥

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I've seen this episode, at first after the revolution there's three full plates of food. The party is doing well in power, then they consolidate power, the food portions get smaller as party elites get richer and more powerful.

Eventually it's just three plastic replicas of food, as they acknowledge everyone eats differently. Eventually it's just a badge or picture of the plates of food. By that time class based Capitalism has been restarted by the new party oligarchs, they even have more control and oversight than the current Capitalists.

What I mean is, you can't "should" us to a new and better system. You have to fully understand the current one, its weaknesses and strengths and the minds/views/motivations of every class and type in it before you can come up with something that is entirely and peacefully transition motivated, and has a better option to transition to... What's more the whole journey has to appeal to human nature and satisfy some if not all those needs... Even if you don't personally share all those needs... And you have to be realistic about such.

Rules for Rulers comes as close as I've seen on this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Or, you know, we could spend slightly more on existing food programs and relax eligibility requirements...

We don't have to put Stalin in charge to better fund SNAP or free school lunches

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

More than just a place to sleep; a place to call your own. And every place I've rented did not feel like my own; most corporate rental contracts make it very clear that this is their property, don't you dare make it feel like home, you only get to temporarily reside there by the grace of their good will (and by paying out your nose, ears, eyes, and ass for the privilege).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If you're working 40 hours a week and you STILL can't afford basics like food, shelter and healthcare, then your economy (and your employer) sucks.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Does this also apply to say, smartphones?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (37 children)

There's quite a chasm between a $100 million boat and a $100 device...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Weird gotcha. What is this the early 2000s when smartphones were rich people toys?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Globally, they still are. Almost half the world doesn't have one. And children still lose their limbs mining the cobalt etc.

I guess the question could be better phrased as "and what are you personally giving up to ensure that as many people as possible are fed?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Yea I assumed that your main point was some kind of sacrifice, not the smartphones themselves. If it weren't for the smartphones you'd be phrasing your gotcha around TVs, or washing machines, or fridges, or indoor plumbing. I've seen this very conservative argument before.

Progressivism and leftism aren't some kind of ascetic christianity and nobody needs a morality preacher. Social progress is not about individual morality. And it's not a zero sum game either.

There is enough food production and wealth in the world to eliminate hunger and extreme poverty already. I could be a selfish asshole not willing to part with my sneaker collection and that would still be the case.

Maybe there is a future where carrying around a smartphone isn't necessary because we've rebuilt human connection in communities. The damn things are addictive misery machines under capitalism anyway. But that's very different from going around wagging the finger at people that say "we could feed the hungry".

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

However also, for many many people smartphones are their only way to access the internet, and it's the primary device for computing in poorer nations I believe

If there's one "essential" electronic device these days, it's the smartphone.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

You think that there aren't people who might need a Smartphone for work or medical emergencies? That is a non-zero number, so no. However should we have everyone's base needs met before others get past a certain point before luxury goods? Yes. Should we be able to do that now AND have luxury goods? Also Yes. Is it alright for people to have a Billion Dollars before that? Definitely No.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Or any matter of things on a global scale instead of national.

I'm a citizen of the Earth before I'm the citizen of any Nation, but it's hard to remember that.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I eat my breakfast from a bowl. Checkmate yachters!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The system which produces mega yachts also has the best record for feeding people.

The hammer and sickle on the chalkboard there is a flag under which tens of millions of people starved in the last century.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

CIA document
considering most of the world is capitalist and a lot of the world live with food scarcity i don't think capitalism is doing very well.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Well then explain to me why the biggest capitalist system in the world, the USA, can feed the vast majority of people in their borders. No one here lives with food scarcity… right? Surely they don’t throw a ton of food away either. And homelessness shouldn’t be an issue either with this incredible system. Right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

The black book of communism is utter shit.

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