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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 97 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"The US government will evacuate US citizens who have been unable to book commercial transit..."

And "The US embassy is not evacuating US citizens at this time. There is a commercially available flight available..."

There's a word we Americans like to use for liars who stretch the truth to fit their narrative: Republicans. Be a shame if we had to change it.

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Scary the amount of people on Lemmy who just didn't read what little text is there.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

Well, this is posted by someone who seems to spend their entire lives jerking off about spreading negative shit about Biden, so makes sense

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I upvoted after reading the first couple sentences because I already know Biden is a racist.

I know Biden is a racist because there’s no way he’d do to any white people what he’s doing to the Palestinians.

The Palestinians will never, ever, ever get the kind of sympathy the Ukrainians are getting, because the Palestinians aren’t white.

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That reads like it comes from a healthy mind.

Turn the TV, phone and computer off for a few days my guy. Pick up that hobby you've been putting off, as long as it's not making pipe bombs.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Not one white country (except a Muslim one).

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  1. Bosnia is mostly white.

  2. The only countries most people would consider to be "white" are western European countries that are geopolitically stable. We have treaties with those countries and most (read all) are aligned with NATO.

Sure, you can argue that the United States is bombing the countries in this graphic to try to kill ethnic minorities, but that's an argument in bad faith and you know it. Is the US trying to take advantage of arms sales and profiteer from resources in those countries? Yes. Are they also trying to come to the aid of foreign governments battling terror organizations and leaders with dictatorial ambitions? Also yes. Geopolitics and foreign policy don't fall neatly into good/bad actions. Switzerland is famously neutral when it comes to warring nations, but they also allowed their banks to profit and enable the Nazis during WW2. Inaction can be just as damaging as action if not more so.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yugoslavia would be mostly white as well, or whatever countries it split into.

Also I was shocked when the Swiss ended their neutrality stance on the invasion of Ukraine

I was only focused on the countries listed in the graphic, but Yugoslavia being left out shows that this graphic is serving a bias.

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[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So the US hasn’t gone to war with Europe or Russia. Amazing insight

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[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Downvote all you want, you know I’m right.

He was born in 1942. He probably thinks white people are the world’s civilizing force, and the Palestinians are getting what they deserve for refusing to accept their white colonialist masters.

He probably thinks third-world countries “aren’t real countries”, but he has to pretend otherwise because of “political correctness”.

He probably thinks Israel isn’t bombing the Palestinians fast enough, and complains to Bibi that America could do it faster.

If he thought anything else, he would be unusual for his age.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You're creating a fantasy within your mind assuming what a person you never met and will never meet thinks about geopolitical issues. This is about as unhinged as people get.

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[–] uienia@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a hell of a lot of projection of your own bigotry.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah yeah. "People who call out racism are the real racists." That's the standard response of white people.

Everytime someone calls a white person racist, they get accused of being racist against white people. It doesn't matter how clearly racist the white person is. (And that's why non-white people are afraid to call out racism.)

I've known so many racist old guys just like Biden. If you don't, you're either young or you're not American.

Also, I like how you assumed I'm not white.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Why aren't we evacuating people? It's great that you can read. But we want you to do the 2+2 too.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Commercial flights will all be fully booked for months at least. The only realistic way for most Americans in Lebanon will likely be evacuation.

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Does it not say "those unable to book flights"?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

My thoughts exactly. The right side says commercial flights are available and they will have to book those commercial flights. The left side says commercial flights are not available to all, and they will help those who can't book one.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

When it's white people: there's commercial flights available but some are unable to book (because tickets limited? Because those people are too poor? No idea) so we have to use gov funds to make sure no one is left behind

When it's "brown" people: commercial flights are available if you've got the cash, if not, go fuck yourself

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago

It certainly does. They could have added it where it is missing maybe, but potentially there are multiple flights available with maybe more capacity than needed?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Biden: Pro human rights when it's politically convenient.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Left screenshot: "If you aren't able to book a commercial flight from Isreal, starting in 2 weeks we will help you"

Right screenshot: "we are not currently evacuating people from Lebanon, since there are normal commercial flights"

OP: "THATS RACIST!"

You: "Wow, look at how political that is!"

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

OP, Linkerbaan, posts constant propaganda on Lemmy.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Only anti-Biden propaganda. I sure would feel weird if I was on a website from Luxembourg constantly criticizing politicians in the Netherlands or something.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah. Seems their intention with the bulk of their posts is to get Trump elected. I assume they're paid by the Kremlin.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Canada is evacuating it's citizens from Lebanon.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, and your point is? The US and the Netherlands, and the UK aren't evacuation. They've specifically called on people to leave, but the UK and the Netherlands specifically don't run evacuation flights, because commercial flights have plenty of space. Just like the US, apparently.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why are American citizens from one country getting better treatment than the other?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Today, they're not. If you want an evacuation flight form Isreal today, you can't, you need to book a commercial flight. If you want one from Lebanon, you can't, you need to book a commercial flight. That's the same treatment for everyone.

In 2.5 weeks from today, you can ask for help getting a flight from Israel. Will the same apply to Lebanon in 2.5 weeks? I dunno, they haven't told anyone either way, though other countries have said they'd organise flights if all commercial flights are full/stopped (I assume the same would apply for the US).

I mean, if you want me to point out the US is massively unfairly helping Isreal to the massive detriment of the entire region, i'll gladly do that. But this mostly doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The post literally says that Israeli-American's can have help booking flights from the American government but the American-Lebanese ones will not get the same level of help. How is that the same treatment?

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you read the screenshots, not the braindead text, that’s absolutely not what it says. Try again I guess.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Nowhere in the image does it say Israelis are not able to book flights or that there are no flights. A quick look at the flight status of the tel Aviv airport confirms that there are flights. The US government is offering Israeli-Americans the ability to rely on them if they are facing difficulties. They are not offering the same to Lebanese-Americans.

https://www.telaviv-airport.com/ben-gurion-departures

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Left screen shot, there's no real danger but we'll evacuate you.

Right screen shot, Israel is unaliving entire city blocks and may invade tomorrow. Good luck fuckers!

Get it yet?

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 months ago

Unfortunately even that's a high bar for most US politicians. There's plenty worse, but vanishingly few that go beyond it.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This interpretation makes no sense. They’re evacuating people from Israel, but not Lebanon. It has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the citizen specifically. It’s not as if a Lebanese American in Israel would be denied, which is what the stupid Twitter post and this post claim.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Israel is much safer than Lebanon, though. Lebanon isn't bombing Israel.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

You can still buy a flight out of Lebanon, which seems to be what the messages are getting across.

If you're in Israel, it seems commercial flights are hard to come by, and the US will help you charter a ride home.

If you're in Lebanon, there's still commercial flights available and you should GTFO ASAP.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

That's the point. That's the whole ass point. Lebanon is getting the snot bombed out of it and Israel looks ready to invade. But we're not evacuating Americans.

The British have already told all British citizens to leave and have an evacuation force in Cyprus. But Biden is like, "fuck you, good luck!"

[–] Late2TheParty@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I think this is probably a dumb question, but I've never thought about it before and sure-as-shootin' don't know. The screenshot indicated one group of Americans is considered white and one is not. Is that a known perception? It's a total first-heard for me and I just... shit, it's never even crossed my mind to think about that.

TIA

[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

Race in general is a social construct that changes to suite racists, like when Italians weren't considered white but now are. But, racists of today consider Israeli/Jewish people with white while Lebanese/Muslim people are non-white/brown.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I know anyone who would consider an "Israeli-American" to be white, or even any whiter than "Lebanese-American", and I'm solidly Midwestern.

I kind of want to send out a bunch of messages to people asking if they consider one "white" or "whiter" than the other...

I know plenty of people who will give Israel carte Blanche simply because it "needs to exist for Jesus to come back" though, so answers wouod be skewed I imagine.

Sorry I didn't really answer your question, I'm interested to hear other people's takes as well.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

I think if you don't know anyone that thinks Israelis are predominantly white that's more on you than anything else.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

Many/most people in Israel have some or a large amount of European ancestry, and are generally considered white. This is probably especially true for American ones. Meanwhile Lebanese people do not really have any large connection to European ancestry.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Jews go into the "white" bucket for ethnicity while Muslims go into the "brown" bucket. Anecdotally in America at least this seems true of their general skin color. I'd say a large part is also that America hasn't really valued any middleast Muslim lives since 9/11 (perhaps earlier but I'm not that old).

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Unless you're an actual neo Nazi, Jews have been accepted into the whiteness construct since the Holocaust. Arabs not so much...

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

This seems like a troll baiting thread. I don't know enough to tell completely so I'm going to lock it.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Technically, Israeli's are considered "brown people" too.

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