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Conservatives did this. Trump was the tool they used, but this would have happened under Jeb! or any other Republican president as well.
Don't let the rest of the party off the hook. They all own this.
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Democrats did this by not codifying
This kind of gaslighting should not be tolerated. Everyone take a moment and block that troll.
That's like saying that the burgler that bypassed your locks by smashing a window is fully justified because you didn't put cages over the glass. Reproductive rights were protected by 50 years of precedent. Roe was established case law for decades and was overturned by a court that rejected how the judicial branch was working and has worked for centuries by ignoring precedent, accepting a case on weak standing to challenge it, and arguing that the established case law was wrong on shakey arguments.
Don't let right-wing nuts lie to you about objective reality.
How can you simultaneously claim that abortion was protected only by precedent, yet the democrats did everything in their power to preserve it?
Oh you're trying so hard to build a strawman! How adorable.
Roe was established case law. Reproductive rights were settled. Blaming Democrats when the actions of Republicans baselessly dismissed it is moronic.
Okay.... so why haven't dems baselessy reinstated it?
You may wish to observe that the Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives, meaning the Democratic Caucus lacks the votes to reinstate it.
And, in states with Democratic majorities, they are codifying it at the state level. Sucks for the rest of us, though. I'm moving out of one of them for many reasons, but one important one is for my children.
Lots of red states are pushing for a vote on it and passing, too. It's wild seeing "vote no on amendment 3" signs here in Missouri as if it's not just advertising for the majority of us to show up and shut these chucklefucks up. I'm hoping that's how it'll go anyway 😓
Crossing my fingers for you! I'm hoping that Harris and certain single issue referenda (like marijuana) will bring people to the polls and while they're there, they'll vote for women's rights.
Same! There's some interesting measures on our ballot that I'm making videos on to raise awareness for like rank choice voting. If you know anyone from Missouri have them check out my YouTube or TikTok! Links are in my profile:)
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They have. In the seven states that have put abortion issues on the ballot since 2022, every single one has supported abortion, including red states: Montana, Kentucky, Kansas, and Ohio.
10 states have abortion issues in their ballots this year. Abortion access is being picked up faster than "Constitutional Carry" did.
Logically, the answer would have to be that Democrats lack the power to preserve it. Which happens to be true because:
- Ordinary legislation would not be sufficient to overturn state laws regarding abortion due to the 10th Amendment, and even if it was the 2/3 Republican court would overturn it anyway.
- A constitutional amendment would require a 2/3 majority that Democrats will not have in this lifetime.
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That’s like saying that the burgler that bypassed your locks by smashing a window is fully justified because you didn’t put cages over the glass.
There is no lock. There is no broken window. There is no burglar, because this person was invited inside the house. The Democratic Party has been rife with "Pro-Life" candidates for decades. The Dems on the judiciary committee going back 40 years have rubber stamped Pro-Life candidates in the Judiciary Committee.
Dems will put the GOP in their fucking cabinet. The GOP isn't breaking in, its being invited in.
Don’t let right-wing nuts lie to you about objective reality.
If you wait on Federal Dems to save you, you're going to be left extremely disappointed.
Cool story, bro (or sis, or comrade, or whatever, idk you). Was it the Democrats 40 years ago that discarded ages-old decorum, stared down stare decicis, and said "nah, that ain't for me," to then threw out established case law, casting doubt on the legitimacy of 1/3 of the co-equal branches of government? Oh, no? It wasn't? It was a group of far-right so-called "Christians" put on the SCOTUS by Republicans?
Yeah, that's certainly how I remember it happening, and, you know, objectively true, so thanks anyway.
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We can help make that happen
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Write letters to likely dem voters in Texas to make sure they turnout!
I’m a nurse and there is no amount of money you could possibly pay me to work in Texas again. That entire state is hostile towards healthcare workers.
...and women, and LGBTQ folks, and logic, and laws...
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I'd like to take this opportunity to blame Citizens United and the lack of regulation on the advertising industry.
Social media companies seek greater engagement to increase their main source of revenue: advertising. Extremist opinions on topics like abortion receive greater engagement, so algorithms optimize accordingly.
I think a lot of people forget the automatic abortion bans specifically set up for the overturning of Roe v Wade. Republicans have wanted this for over 50 years. It's like pointing a remote control rocket launcher at your neighbor's house and then lobbying to get rocket launcher related domestic terrorisms legalized. Okay, maybe a bit extreme, but still your pregnant neighbor dies with an unborn child in either case, so...
If you know that, so do Democrats. Yet they did nothing to protect it.
Obama: “Protecting Roe is not a priority.”
I mean ig, big blunder on their part for sure, but not exactly the people who are murdering women by banning emergency abortions so what's your point
"The thing the Republicans did was terrible, but Democrats did not do enough to prevent it, so I'm going to support the Republicans!"
Make it make sense.
We need to post birth abort some of these Supreme Court justices
Won't someone rid us of these meddlesome justices?
Democrats did this by refusing to codify decades ago.
I agree both major parties had a hand in this directly or indirectly. But only one has any chance of changing this for the better.
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As if these zealots wouldn't have ruled it unconstitutional or slowly weakend it with a series of cases anyway. See recent decisions gutting Voting Rights Act, weakening the Clean Water Act, Campaign Reform Act of 2002, Dodd-Frank and other federal laws.
Look, republicans suck ass, it’s true. But if Dems had codified Roe into law either time they had the supermajority (two chances in the last 20 years), then the corrupt SC wouldn’t have been able to do jack shit. If dems had any integrity, they would shoulder a significant amount of the blame for this issue, because they had their chance and deemed it “not a priority.”
Sure, Dems absolutely should have codified it. However, a federal law protecting abortion rights as health care against the religious freedom of a regional Catholic hospital's beliefs not to save a mother's life with an abortion would be the test case and I'm pretty sure I know how 5 of the Justices would vote. This SCOTUS know they have unchecked power and are no longer afraid to wield it.
Would be interesting to see that play out fully. Here’s hoping we get the chance to do so in the next few years. Its so heartbreaking that so many women are suffering/dying because of these regressive policy positions.
I'll never, ever forget the very first thing Democrats did when Republicans successfully overturned Roe.
They sent out a mass text asking for $15 donations because of what had just happened.
They had that shit ready to go immediately. Maybe if they had put a fraction of that preparation into having legislation ready to go, they wouldn't have wasted their opportunities to protect Americans' rights.
But at least they did for the only thing that matters. Fundraising.
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"The guy who did the arson isn't to blame, it's the firefighters for getting there too late"
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You really do make a habit of being on the bottom with your terrible takes don't you
Decades ago, the parties were much different than today. There were pro-choice Republicans and pro-life Democrats. Only one time in recent (2000+) memory did the Dems ever have the 60 votes necessary for codifying Roe. They used that two-ish week window to pass the ACA.
And that's not even touching on the differing public approval of abortion.
The ACA which should be noted was desperately needed at the time unlike Roe which was known to be at risk but not nearly as immediate.
I’m not happy Roe is dead. The fact is though that without a constitutional amendment Roe was always on borrowed time with the constant attacks on it, and I don’t believe that there is any time after the issuance of the bill of rights that an amendment protecting abortion would work, and in the form of the bill of rights it would’ve had to be a robust privacy amendment that just happened to protect abortion.
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Up until the court decided to start ignoring centuries of legal tradition that is the bedrock of our legal system and threw out stare decisis the decision was actually more secure than a specific law.
Any law codifying it can be challenged on many grounds, especially the 10th amendment. It could easily have been struck down as unconstitutional because the federal government has no power to pass a law affecting this issue, since the constitution doesn't grant it.
Only a constitutional amendment would have been likely to survive a court willing to do what this one has done, and there is zero possibility the Democrats could have passed one.
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