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[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Don’t worry, voters will definitely hand both houses to the Republicans in 2026 if she’s elected and they’ll take their orders directly from Trump.

Because that’s what always happens.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I just hope Trump is dead by 2026.

There could always be some other MAGA asshole to fill the void, but the dissolution of Trump's cult of personality would be a crippling blow.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There's always an asshole. Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump. And our electoral system and goldfish-memory population will continually put them into power.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Newt, Mitch and the others only have their local GOP cult, they don't have the national cult that the orange turd does.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Okay, Rush, Hannity, and Alex Jones & The Turds.

There will always be an asshole. That's the entire reason we even have government in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (6 children)

she could be a great president if she issues an arms embargo against Israel

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago (7 children)

She will most likely not be a great president, but could be a good one. If Biden wasn't so poor on the Middle East, he would have been a great one, from a policy perspective.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Biden never was going to be a great president, lacking a a majority in both houses means you burn up too much political capital to get anything done that doesn't already have broad bipartisan support. And with how divided politics is today compared to any point in history where we had a great president, there is no such thing as bipartisan today.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I’m fine with how Afghanistan went. The military would have dragged it out for another 10 years. I’d much rather have a suboptimal quick withdrawal.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Too god damn true. That's mainly why I voted for Harris on my main-in ballot. She's not Trump, that's the primary reason.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep. She's not my ideal candidate, but she is better in every single way when compared to Trump.

Since it's easier to break things than to maintain, fix, or create, the choice is obvious.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a good looking sandwich

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You and I have very different ideas of what a good sandwich looks like. I'd still vote for it though.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Absent of any anti-Trump arguments, I'd like to hear the case for Kamala being a truly great President. A few policy positions she, in particular, is notable for?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

She used to be a prosecutor. That means she can see things from both sides and look at things objectively and not make rash decisions. It's a good quality for a president.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

We larping pigs now?

JFC... Is there anything liberal about the modern moderate democrats?

Disgusting statism and corporatism is all they seem to be about.

They got theirs, fuck everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No…that’s the Republican Party platform. The current Democratic Party is very much about make the government work for the people and do at least something to rein in the rich and corporations

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

do at least something to reign in the rich and corporations

I need whatever this guy is smoking

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Start with what makes a good president? Obviously there's the issues and all that which people focus on, but that's subject to debate. Objectively, some qualities are definitely good, like being good at both urgent and non-urgent decision making, good at managing/organizing/handling chaos, capable of outsmarting adversaries, being a unifying force rather than a divisive one. Just to name a few. So let's look at those:

  • Decision-making: She's relatively young compared to recent presidents, definitely a bit more in touch with modern reality and less tied to the old ways of doing politics. She's faced a tough choice with her running mate, and while Walz has been criticized by some, given the short timeframe it's clear she at least didn't fuck it up. Her debate prep clearly succeeded, and she's avoided any scandals despite clearly Republicans trying very hard to find them. All of these show a record of decent to good decisions.
  • Managing, etc Obviously her campaign started in the midst of chaos, and there were a lot of fears regarding that transition. And it went probably better than anyone expected, with everyone quickly gaining confidence in her.
  • Outsmarting adversaries She did a better job at this in the debate than any candidate in my memory.
  • Unifying force Again I'll refer to her getting everyone behind her after Biden dropped, while also keeping Biden's support. Don't underestimate how unlikely that seemed before it happened.

I'll avoid comparing Trump who is obviously severely deficient in all of these respects. But I could go further and say she obviously compares favorably to Biden too, and compared to Obama, I'd give her an edge on outsmarting adversaries and managing, and Obama probably gets the edge on the other 2. But we'll see.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (6 children)

"Objectively" is such a fun way to describe what will always be a divisive position of power. Was any one president considered objectively good?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, Al Gore was voted president, and he didn't make any objectionable decisions while George Bush was living in his house and working in his office.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Grant's administration was deeply imperfect - corruption ran deep - but he eradicated the first KKK. I feel like that's an objective good, and anyone who disagrees isn't worth listening to.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And that's cool...

As long as when people want her to align more closely with the Dem voting base, you don't yell at them for questioning the only option and imply they're trying to help trump.

That bullshit only depresses Dem turnout and actually helps trump.

It's just completely nonsensical to hear all the "moderates" claim they'd vote for anyone not trump, then go feral when someone points out banning fracking would hand the Dems Pennsylvania which trump needs to win the election.

There are multiple issues like that where if Kamala moved to the left she'd lock this election down.

If you truly only care about beating trump, your time online would be more productive trying to pull the party left than trying to pull tens of millions of voters to the right...

With the obvious benefit of getting those popular policies on top of beating trump.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (25 children)

If it's not been posted already...

https://theintercept.com/2024/09/10/polls-arms-embargo-israel-weapons-gaza/

Banning sales of arms to Israel would not only attract a huge proportion of otherwise reluctant leftists, but might even steal votes from Trump as a small but not insignificant number of voters have been fooled by his 'started no wars' con. The idea that doing so would lose some key demographic is clearly not supported by the data.

But the Democratic strategists are not idiots. They must know this. So one of two things is the case; the polling is wrong, or the Democrats have absolutely no desire to move leftward on this and are willing to risk a Trump win to hold out on their position.

We can rule out the first because if the Democrats had better poll data they'd share it. Nothing to lose by doing so.

So we're left with the second.

Odd then that the online vitriol is delivered not to the Democrats for cynically risking a Trump victory, but to leftists for being opposed to genocide.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (8 children)

The idea that doing so would lose some key demographic is clearly not supported by the data.

They wouldn't lose significant voters, theyd lose a bunch of donations...

It doesn't cost a billion plus to beat donald trump, but the more money there is, the bigger everyone's slice is and the bigger the bonuses for personally bringing more money is.

The DNC isn't being run to get Dems in office, it's a fucking grift where sometimes we do get a Dem in office.

Just never one who's political policy matches Dem voters.

Look at current DNC leadership, it's not people that know how to win elections, it's just whoever can bring in the most donations.

The result is ridiculously expensive and incompetent campaigns. The solution is clearing house at the DNC.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A ham sandwich can be eaten. Eating is good. That's 1 pt ham sandwich, 0 gop. Ham sandwich does more for Americans than gop.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The rich can also be eaten.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This meme is pseudo-scientific without any understanding of objectivity.

I'd vote for a ham sandwich if I lived in a magic place where it mattered. This sham democracy is why we're stuck with worthless votes for garbage people. There's no way to vote ourselves out of a fundamentally corrupt system.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Voting matters. Don't be so defeatist that you stop trying.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It is a sham democracy, but the votes do still matter. Worst case, we have a choice between half assed climate policy that at least acknowledges it needs attention, or climate accelerationism. We have the choice between half assed women's rights, or women being pushed further towards being second class citizens. We have the choice between half assed protections for the queer community, or the continued dehumanization and harm towards the queer community.

The list goes on. The two candidates aren't equal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I mean Kamala will be a horrible president. It's not possible to be a good president when it is a job to uphold the American empire and its power. Kamala will be horrible though with her support for the ongoing Gaza genocide, terrible and half arse healthcare and environmental plans when we can afford to be half arse on neither, she is also trying to outflank Trump to the right on immigration and police violence.

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