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When Gmail first appeared in 2004, the idea of having what seemed like a never-ending space for email was revolutionary. Most paid services were providing a few megabytes of space, and here came Google promising a full gigabyte (which, at the time, seemed huge) for free.

Over the years, however, Gmail has added a plethora of features that it touts as “improvements” but some of them are irritating. Worse, it looks for ads for things that it will never need and sticks them at the top of email list.

Back in the dark ages before Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and other free cloud-based apps, most email happened either via paid services or inside of walled gardens. In the former, you paid a service provider for an email account and downloaded your email into an app that only lived on your computer — an app with a name like Pine, Eudora, Pegasus Mail, or Thunderbird.

For the most part, nobody was scanning your email to find out the last time you bought shoes, or whether you were shopping for car insurance, or that you had recently been buying gifts for a relative’s new baby. Nobody was taking that information and selling it to vendors so they could drop ads into your email lists or surprise you with additional promotional messages. Your email lived on your computer alone. Once it was downloaded and erased from the server, it was just yours — to save or erase or lose.

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[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 75 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Odd not a single mention of hotmail in there the original web based email service which arguably was the one of the prime options till gmail offered way more storage.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago (4 children)

When I left college, my university closed my email account. That sucked, but I moved on. Then the paid service I used closed down, so I had to change again. That sucked. I lost access to my Xbox Live account because they send all my "update password" emails to that old address and won't update to my new address without confirming the change on an email that no longer exists.

Now I've had the same email address for 17 years and really really don't want to move on, even though I hate that it is with Google. They went from "don't be evil" to "be as evil as possible."

[–] progandy@feddit.org 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

And that is why I pay for my own domain. The service can change, but my domain is eternal (or near enough for my purposes)

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm regretting not doing that 20 years ago.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I did the conversation a few years ago.

Yes it took me a full year probably of updating accounts. But it's doable if you do it in small chunks at s time. I set up a forwarding to my new domain and when I felt like it updated a few more accounts. Untill one day, nothing showed up anymore.

Worth it

Actually deleted my Gmail account I think

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[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I joined gmail in beta so similarly had had my address for an absurd amount of years.

Last year I completely switched over to proton for everything and keep my gmail as a junk account for shit I want to sign up for but don't want to dirty my main with.

It was a daunting feeling undertaking at first but honestly it took me a couple of hours to go through and change the email on things I actually use and want to keep.

It was a nice freeing feeling and really helped me weed out what accounts I truly use and want to keep. I would highly recommend it as a cleansing exercise as much as anything else!

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I bought a custom domain and use it with Proton. If Proton shuts down or something I can easily use the same domain with another provider.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

That is a good point. I have moved to Proton mail but I keep my Gmail account as a backup and it's part of my still used Google account. Can't see myself ever shutting it down completely just in case, as much as I avoid Google as much as possible now.

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 36 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ctrl+F: "thread" "conversation" zero results

I feel like people have forgotten how email worked before, when webmail providers were emulating the desktop client model of "received messages go in Inbox, Sent folder is for sent." Gmail's conversation view was shockingly intuitive, one of those "why hasn't it always been this way?" things that feels so obvious in retrospect.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I turned that off so many years ago I forgot it exists.

[–] solarvector@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 months ago

Yeah, abjectly hate conversation view.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I read some sysadmin forums about Conversation View, and most of them say users regularly ask how to turn it off. I always turn it off immediately.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have always used conversation view in my desktop email client. Not sure why you think this is revolutionary or exclusive to gmail.

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Labels were a pretty simple yet novel concept for categorizing mail which i seldom see in any other provider, sadly.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Incidentally the same labels make Gmail fundamentally incompatible with the way IMAP works causing lots of weirdness whenever you use any standard email client not specifically designed for Gmail.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Proton has labels & folders both.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

My free Bluebottle account had tags, which are basically labels, but that was like 100 years ago.

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[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Who else doesn't see ads in Gmail? I never have and have been using it since its inception.

[–] Dkiscoo@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I do on the browser version not the mobile

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

on the other two inbox tabs sometimes, promotions and updates. just checked, saw one in the app for Verizon in promotions.

I use Firefox with ublock origin and pihole, blocking over 1 million sites.

[–] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 5 months ago

And Hotmail deleted all my emails after not signing in for some period, twice. Then, I just stick with gmail since the early days until now.

[–] john117@lemmy.jmsquared.net 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

(and got royally pissed at Google for sunsetting its cool Inbox app).

inbox was amazing! closing down the project radicalized me against everything google touched from that point forward lol

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[–] net00@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

Imagine using a google service. Do yourselves a favor and use anything else, even outlook, over Google.

[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you could just use Email in these archaic programs called Thunderbird etc. If you really wanted to use gmail. You know, without adds, without the need for an ad blocker, without AI recommendations and at your leisure.

But hey, you'd have to install something on your computer for that.... how horrible.

And who uses computers for work anyway, you can just write your essay on a tablet. (but there are also email apps on those)

It's a shittier way to work but hey it's easier.

[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago

One of the nice things about Gmail at the time, was that you could access your emails when not home. If you were at a friend's or on holiday at a net café, all you needed was to know your email and password.

That sounds silly, but at the time the majority of ISP mailboxes were pop only. Or those Webmails you could get were attached to what you would now think of comically small mailboxes. Full history Webmail added a convenience we didn't get before.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

emails

emails

emails

emails

Oh Barbara. For someone absent on 'mass nouns' day in elementary school, you've come far.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

as long as they keep gemini out of it enough for me not to notice, fine

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[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Eudora! I had forgotten all about that one.

[–] foxfell@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m still using gmail, but reading it trough the same old school local clients downloading everything trough imap. For everything important i have tutanota and private servers. Proton indeed looks like honeypot to me.

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