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If I find out you voted for Trump in 2016, I will judge you but I could forgive you.
If I find out you voted for Trump in 2020, I will judge you and will have a hard time forgiving you.
If I find out you voted for Trump in 2024, you're dead to me. Friend, family, doesn't matter.
I wish I could say the same but I can't bring myself to cut my dad out of my life. Yesterday ended our 2 year streak of talking every day.
He learned years ago not to bring up politics with me because he knows I will destroy all of his arguments and bring receipts. He's let a comment or two slip at a family gathering but he knows my phone's coming out of I'm within earshot... No, dad, he was definitely friends with Epstein - here's a quote saying so from the 90s.
I've thought a lot about bringing it up or at the very least what my response would be if he does. I want to tell him that he has 20 years left at best but I have to live in the world he voted for a lot longer. I want to tell him that I think my sister would be right to never speak to him again. I want to tell him that she may be young, but in 15 years my niece is going to rightfully resent him for what he supported.
But what I think I'm going to actually tell him is that he fucked up so bad that I HAVE to assume he truly does not understand the implications of this if I ever want to be able to look him in the eye again.
And every single time Trump does something shitty as president, I will be texting him what it was and why it's bad whether he likes it or not.
Your poor father. You sound insufferable.
Is life hard when no one truly loves you? Does it affect your day-to-day life or just when you leave anonymous comments like the one you just made?
Like, is it always in the back of your head that you lack to emotional capacity to form meaningful relationships or do you choose to live in ignorance about it?
I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there's no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.
child rapist, Kate was 12
The DOJ had four years to prosecute him under Biden and they dragged their heels.
The Southern District of New York had ample reason and opportunity to prosecute him as a mobbed to businessman in the '00s and '10s, but he was friends with the mayor so they didn't.
The Clintons certainly knew about Epstein in the 90s and could have busted that whole thing up 30 years ago. But the donations were too sweet, so they didn't.
Trump is a creature of consequences.
You should already be hopeless considering the current administration is aiding genocide.
Still at it... She lost, dude. Go away.
Yes, we were already hopeless, but we recognized that there was one option (out of the four: Trump, Harris, third party, or abstention) that provided a possible chance of ending the genocide, while the other three were a guarantee of not only the complete elimination of the Palestinian people, but the expansion into a much larger conflict across the Middle East and possibly the world.
I hope that moral superiority makes you feel better when you see the what the difference between the Democrats and Republicans in Gaza (and beyond) will be. Assuming you actually give a shit.
Trump had the same amount of votes or similar to last time. Harris lost a shit ton of votes, so I don't blame Trump voters. I blame Harris for running such a shit campaign.
If you voted for Harris I blame you for overlooking a fucking genocide.
After all, trump supporters are “overlooking fascism” to punish the biden admin for the gaslighting over inflation.
Is Trump planning on helping Palestinians? It always seemed a strange argument to me to use against the Democrats since I'm pretty sure the right would have done the exact same in regards to Israel. Please prove me wrong, I'd love to see a silver lining to this situation.
Trump probably has more allegiance to Putin than he does to Netanyahu's money, which might mean forcing it to compromise on a compromise. But frankly, I've always seen US support of Israel as a means to drive out Russian influence in Israel, whose cooperation has increased the last few decades before becoming clouded with the latest conflict. The conflict with Iran and its proxies might stop, but Palestinians are still getting genocided, if anything with more of a focus.
Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.
Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024
Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
Additionally, if you did not vote for Harris I will judge you.
Genocide is a redline for me, though I understand why to many Harris voters the mass slaughter of people halfway across the world is a non-issue.
Edit: “If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism and vote for him.” -- Historian Robin D.G. Kelley
Well thank God you stopped that regular genocide from happening from a first term president who we can leverage public support against if she wanted a second term.... And instead transformed it into a much faster and crueler genocide by a second term fascist who openly said we will never vote again and who wants to deport 25million Latinos out of this country (also a genocide fyi).
You guys really helped out those people in Gaza, sure thing. Look at how much you achieved. Next you'll vote for mass gas chambers instead of individual lethal injection because you're against the death penalty.
Of course it's a fucking issue! Do you think it will be better now that Netanyahu got the person be wanted in the white house?! My god how short sighted are you!
Your stance strikes me as performative. As everyone's lives are getting harder, including the people you claim to be prioritizing, that's okay because at least your hands are clean. That's the most important thing to you, that everyone knows you personally are pure.
The majority of the blame lays with the DNC, the GOP, and those that voted for Trump. But you will also share a portion of the blame, even if you deny and refuse to take responsibility for it, we all lay it on your shoulders anyways.
Why on earth do you think Trump is going to result in the slaughter of fewer of those people?
I don’t so I didn’t vote for him. But I wasn’t going to vote for the party that enabled the past 400 days of genocide and then sent Bill Clinton to explain to voters in Michigan how 40,000 dead Palestinians is not enough, either.
The horrors that are to come on partially on your head.
It would have been amazing if you had an option of a third outcome, but the reality is you didn't. Life is full of situations where you have to pick between things that are both distasteful. But the trolley problem illustrates that opting out to avoid it is not an option at much as you try to convince yourself that it is.
It is so odd and counterproductive to me to take this position. "Vote how I want or Ill hate you because Im a better person than you." Yeah, that will really bring those votes in by the millions. Instead of acting like a child why not learn about these peoples' lives and attempt to understand why they voted the way they did? Why did Democrats lose the male vote, the independent vote, half of Latinos, and all 7 swing states? It is ignorant and lazy to call them all the isms, go and actually learn why you lost.
I judge you for your literal inability to detect hostility and scams.
We have SO MUCH EVIDENCE that Trump is a Russian asset who Russia has Kompromat on (see American Kompromat by Unger). We are at war with Russia and previously were at war with them for decades. And we don't think Putin wants revenge? Look at what happened to Navalny.
Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts. Almost as if he's a foreign fucking asset harming the US as much as possible in a proxy war. He has a history of violence, abuse, and grifting. How can people be so naive? Literal wolf in wolf's clothing with neon signs saying "I'm a wolf and I will eat you."
Both 2024 and 2016 were total punts by the Democratic party, elections that could have easily been won in large margins, but defeat pulled from the jaws of victory in a way that seemingly only they can.
People know if they live in battleground/swing states. And still, the fact is that despite Trump getting FEWER votes than last time (which is an election he LOST, by the way), he WON this time, simply because millions of blue voters in those key states decided they'd rather not vote at ALL, than vote for the Democrats' candidate.
There is no excuse for the results of either of these elections, honestly. It's fucking embarrassing.
Don’t forget they almost lost 2020 as well had it not been for covid they definitely would of lost.
I'd really like to have 100 randomly chosen Trump voters in a room and interview them to find out how knowledgeable they are about Trump, about his policies, about his first term, about the criminal cases, etc.
My guess is that at least 90% of them are brainwashed. I'm sure there are some that are completely aware of his record and are either single issue voters who are voting only on abortion. Some may be multi-millionaires who are voting just for lower taxes and don't care about anything else. But, anybody who voted for him because of inflation / the economy has no idea what they're talking about. Inflation was a worldwide problem and Trump's policies made / will make it worse. Anybody who voted for him because he's going to "fix immigration" has no idea what they're doing because his policies are incoherent and will never work. Anybody who voted for him because of Gaza is an absolute moron because he's just going to encourage the genocide.
I see these videos on tiktok. You would think it was fun but it's kinda like talking to a brick. There is no logic.
Trump and his fascists deserve most of the blame, but I fear that liberals won't learn from this. Realpolitik is bullshit. When you promise to help people but then sell us out to lobbyists and the donor class decade after decade after decade, then people lose all faith in institutions. Facts don't matter because those facts were used to gaslight time and time again.
The Democrats expended a ton of political capital bailing out the teamsters pensions and they didn't even earn an endorsement from them.
Arizona had a ton of money and jobs pumped into it with the CHIPS act and it went for Trump.
Delivering on promises and improving people's material conditions didn't move the needle at all.
Voters don't care about policy, they care about the President being a charismatic man who reminds them of their dad.
They didn't improve people's material conditions. They did some things that may help in several years, but did fuck all for the suffering people were feeling. They went even further to deny those feelings to people's face.
I guess you're right, if you're a teamster whose pension just got saved, that's something you won't appreciate for a dozen or so years.
So clearly, stuff like that is a crapshoot and will never be attempted again. The only thing politicians will do is subsidize purchases for goods and services.
No national healthcare insurance because people won't appreciate that until they're sick. So just send out checks for 600 dollars to make things a little easier on people, it's way cheaper too.
Sheesh.. all these liberal tears are going to sustain me for years.
Can we stop with all this bullshit? Im not even and American and i cant stand the cry anymore. People voted, its democracy, it is what it is, get over it
Then you should be fair and judge harris in a similar way. For supporting and being a part of genocide.
There'll be a genocide under Trump too
And it will be far far far worse.
All of these "it's genocide, it cannot get worse" fools are in for a rude awakening. Assuming they actually give a shit.
I absolutely would have judged her in a similar way had she won. But right now, she's the Vice President, and has zero say (unless its to break a tie in the Senate) on this policy whatsoever.
So why would I judge her for "supporting and being part of a genocide"? See how this works? You elect her first, then you pressure her to do the thing that you know for certain the other guy will never do.