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I got a copy of the text from the email, and added it below, with personal information and link trackers removed.

Hello [receiver's name],

I’ve long dreamed about working for Mozilla. I learned how to send encrypted e-mail using Mozilla Thunderbird, and I’ve been a Firefox user since almost as long as I can remember. In more recent years, I’ve been an avid follower of Mozilla’s advocacy work, and was lucky enough to partner with Mozilla on investigative journalism in my last job.

In many ways, Mozilla was the dream – and now, as the leader of the Foundation, my job is to make my dreams for Mozilla come true. What that means, though, is making your dreams come true – for a trustworthy and open future of technology; for tech that is a tool for liberation, not limitation; and for tech that values people over profit.

So I’m reaching out to technologists, activists, researchers, engineers, policy experts, and, most importantly, to you – the people who make up the Mozilla community – to ask a simple question.

[receiver's name]. What is your dream for Mozilla? I invite you to take a moment to share your thoughts by completing this brief survey.

Let’s start with this question:

Question 1: What is most important to you right now about technology and the internet?

  • Protecting my privacy online
  • Avoiding scams
  • Choosing products, apps, technology, and services that I can trust
  • Keeping children safe online
  • Responsible use of AI
  • Keeping the internet is open and free
  • Knowing how to spot misinformation
  • Other (please specify)

Take the survey now →

With your help, together we can imagine and create the Internet we want. Thank you for being a part of this.

Always yours,

Nabiha Syed Executive Director Mozilla Foundation

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 4 months ago (5 children)

"We've decided to focus our efforts on AI and advertising. Please tell us why you think that's a good idea!"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

Well, you have the option to elaborate otherwise. Huge effort to normalize this survey.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

There's nothing wrong with using an LLM for offline private language translation. It literally preserves privacy by not simply sending all that data to a Google translation server.

There's nothing wrong with using offline image recognition to aid in helping blind people know what's on their screen.

As for their "advertising" - you should look up what they actually did. It completely preserves privacy while at the same time not completely destroying the economic model that content creators rely on. It's a good thing. With any luck, regulators will enforce it.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Shame their AI question didn’t have a “my biggest concerns is companies chasing the AI buzzword with no tangible benefit”

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

right? mozilla, you gotta focus on making a good web browser right now. not a more gimmicky web browser

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

I agree that's basically what I out in the text box underneath the AI multi-select options. "We don't want yet another annoying AI search feature or chatbot! We want a focus on useable features and security!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Private, offline language translation is not "no tangible benefit".

Neither is alt-text generation for images to assist blind people in searching the web. That's a massive feature.

E: idk whether you're down voting because you don't want privacy or because you don't like blind people lol

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just make a better browser… you literally pioneered RUST

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I want nothing to do with AI, everything is like "I want transparency" I dont want them involved at all, pissing away money buzz words.

What do you want from mozilla? an open source privacy focused browser.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

You're free to send your data to google or deepl instead of using Firefox's included AI translate. You know, privacy, no AI in the browser, choose one.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

But their AI helps protect privacy? The main thing it's currently used for is offline private translation that doesn't send data to Google's servers.

The other main AI feature they're working on is AI-generated alt-text for untagged images, so that blind people can better use the web.

I feel like you're doing the classic Lemmy/Reddit thing of seeing the letters "AI" and automatically freaking out, before looking into what they're actually doing. We aren't talking about ChatGPT integration here...

Helping blind people use computers is a good thing.

Private, offline translation is a good thing.

If they had called these features "machine learning" instead of "AI", it would make zero function difference, but you wouldn't be reacting in this manner.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The fact that there's no option to express my anger over the environmental cost of AI is infuriating. There is no responsible or positive use of AI when it's accelerating the destruction of our climate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

~~I see a textbox saying "What do you want to see from Mozilla in the future?" You could add it there, as justification for why you want them to focus less on it~~

There is a text box part way through, I included my more general thoughts there

(my comment was getting rambly)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's lot of reasons to hate AI. Spreading misinformation about renewable energy isn't one of them

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

What?

He is saying that AI uses countries worth of energy by itself. Even a normal search query using AI uses orders of magnitude more energy than a traditional search query.

Literally tech companies have been buying or reserving entire power plants exclusively for training AI datasets. At least Microsoft reactivated an old nuclear plant instead of buying out coal plant energy shares.

And 90% of uses for AI are absolute dogshit corporate fluff or a shiny activity for 10 year olds to play with for 30 minutes.

There are legitimate uses like auto note taking, voice assistants, etc... But it is destroying the environment because corporations are shoving it into every possible thing they can, quadrupling the energy growth rate and straining our electrical grids and burning tons and tons more coal to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The audacity to direct you to a donations page after you fill out their survey 😂

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My brother in Lemmy, how do you think they pay their engineers?

Would you rather them try and get revenue through advertising means? Because that's what it sounds like, no decision is a decision.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (4 children)

They seem to have a foregone conclusion that AI is a positive thing, rather than something that should be eradicated like smallpox or syphilis.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Responsible use of AI" could mean things like providing small offline models for client-side translation. They're actually building that feature and the preview is already amazing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

IMO, there's no such thing as responsible AI use. All of the uses so far are bad, and I can't see any that would work as well as a trained human. Even worse, there's zero accountability; when an AI makes a mistake and gets people killed, no executives or programmers will ever face any criminal charges because the blame will be too diffuse.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There is no gray. Only black and white!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

The "translate page" button in my browser is evil? Get a grip.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are valid uses for AI. It is much better at pattern recognition than people. Apply that to healthcare and it could be a paradigm shift in early diagnosis of conditions that doctors wouldn't think to look for until more noticeable symptoms occur.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's because it is a positive thing. Just because awful businesses hijacked and abused it doesn't mean it's all bad. Mozilla is approaching it in a positive way imo.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

And what, exactly, is positive about it, that has no associated negative outcomes?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Specific to generative AI, I think client side generation can be a good thing, such as sentiment analysis or better word suggestions/autocomplete.

A number of other helpful tasks have negative outcomes, but if someone is going to use it, then I prefer they use the version of the tech that minimizes those negative outcomes. Whether Mozilla should be focussing on building that is a different matter though

AI that isn't generative AI has a lot of positive uses, but usually that's not what these discussions are about

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I filled it, but there's no avenue there to express my complete disdain for AI and how shit it can make a product. Just make everything AI optional, don't make me download data for shit I'll never use.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I did the same thing. I just want a product or service that doesn't leverage AI. Mozilla's resources are better spent improving the web.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

You can submit the survey without checking any of the boxes on the AI question, just FYI.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

Embrace RFC 8890 ("The Internet is for End Users") as a guiding principle for all Mozilla client app design and for the organization as a whole:

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8890.html

Specifically, delete item 9 from the Mozilla manifesto and replace it with "follow RFC 8890". That's not supposed to be an anti-business stance, but rather, a recognition that the commercial side of the internet has the resources to look after its own interests, and Mozilla should be on the user side, rather than trying to straddle both sides.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

gecko webview for android, better site isolation

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Prolong your browser for as long as necessary and explore the possibility of using the internet without any web browsers. Firefox is a last stand of competition, and without choice there might as well not be browsers at all.

Is it wise to have such a complex everything-app with no end in sight? (more like, no end in site)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My dream for Mozilla is that it does not descend into a capitalist marionette full of silent information gathering and black-box AI widgets. If you're going to do AI, I want it open, like training data open. Whitepaper open. I want to be able to trust the company and it's projects and especially it's browser.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I asked them to support JPEGXL by default.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

good set of questions while trying to be non biased on certain topics.

for me, topics about privacy and misinformation matter more than ai. i would like them to lean more on helping me identify ai generated text and deepfakes as far as ai is concerned.

i also liked that mozilla study about smart cars so more of that is nice.

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