Data is Beautiful

We didn't vote, for this.

maybe not voted but they definitely chose this. choosing to let whatever happens actually happen was a choice.

"I sat on my ass! You're welcome!"

Yep. I hate everything.

I don’t think lemmy has the level of literacy or patience to read what you’ve written. I say this as a fan of creative writing.

It's a chicken and egg situation -- Bernie Sanders said “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them”

So do we blame people for being fed up or do we blame the ruling class for giving Americans so little to realistically hope for?

I agree with most of your points, but mandatory voting is not anti-freedom in my book. Plenty of places have it (Australia for example) and people can always choose to invalidate their ballot if they don't want to make a choice.

Except the difference is that the january 6th insurrectionists were too dumb to see what trump is. This time around, its the non-insurrectionsists who are too dumb.

On a more serious, but equally true, note: youre literally just rehashing the paradox of tolerism which has already been solved. If party A is going to do something, then party B should be able to do that too. Republicans are going to abuse power regaurdless of whether democrats do. At best, to argue that democrats should control themselves to not tempt republicans is victim blaming and makes you a republican apologist, at worst you are sealioning and are actually just a republican.

money required to get a state ID

Why wouldn't this be considered a poll tax. There has to be a way for everyone that is legally allowed to vote to do so for free.

Make getting an ID free then? Isn't that what both sides want? Fewer undocumented (by definition) for republicans, and more people voting for Democrats.

that's not the point being made

I like how you briefly acknowledge that this isn't a random sample, but then hand wave it away and act like the same conclusions can be drawn from it as though it were a random sample.

I bring you a bag of red and blue balls to sample from, but before this I let a guy who really likes blue balls take some balls out of the bag. After taking a sampling from the bag, you conclude that there are many more red balls than blue balls. Is this a valid representation of the population?

The central limit theorem, would allow for a sample size as small as 500 people randomly distributed to be an accurate representation of a group of trillions,

This is a completely mandatory assumption for the math to work.

The second there is any selection bias at all it completely falls apart.

This isn’t a uniformly selected sample. People who are more aligned with Trump are probably also more likely to vote, which makes them overly represented.

It's a terrible idea the more you look into it. Seems great at first for sure, but you do not want it. Too easy to mess with it.

Paper creates a better physical trail to avoid tampering. The time commitment should be reduced by allowing voting by mail, even better if it's mandatory. Easily enforced with a tax break for participating and just sending back a receipt of vote recorded accurately.

Its pretty difficult to do... Cleo Abrams has an amazing video about this exact thing. If you want the shorter version of the video, here you go.

Online voting for the US election allows for much much easier tampering from foreign and domestic powers. It's a method with way to many severe issues to use on a massive scale, as convenient as it would be.

Maga thanks you for your support.

I hear you on just wanting what's best for your community, but checking out will only harm them further. Our communities need support now more than ever. I'm not trying to harp, either, I get it. I am demoralized as fuck these days, and honestly have little to zero hope for humanity in general. But even so, I won't be a part of letting these fucks just walk into office unopposed. Votes matter, and especially at the local level. Vote for the best candidates at all levels, every election. I am not even suggesting that means your choices must be for a democrat, vote independent if that's who the best option is. I live in a blue state, but my county historically leans red. What's promising is that even in this shit show of a situation, a couple postions that usually go red went to non-red people this time (yes, someone who ran without party affiliation won, AND they were running against a Republican). I hope my community can keep that trend moving. Nobody good is going to get through without support. Be there to support the people who have the guts to try to unfuck this mess.

fuck America. it’s full of racist pieces of shit just trying to load their pockets and turning every single one of us citizens against each other.

I feel you on this point. I am new to this though and you seem like you've been here for a bit. I was pretty patriotic for a lefty but this election broke all of that.

I do have a disagreement and a counter argument though. America is not "full" of these people, although I won't argue there are clearly a great many, without question. There are good people everywhere, like you (and I hope me too), who have their priorities in order. The good people won't compromise though, to their credit usually, but we have to play chess in order to change the rules. That means winning with votes. That means good people will have to learn to compromise. Unless you are willing to run for office. I'll vote for you. I don't want you to leave (and I don't have the money, sorry).

I'm trying to tell you that you are looking at it backwards, and its intentional. The purpose is to make you (me, everyone opposed) so frustrated and defeated that we won't vote. Please fucking vote.

There's nothing that's gonna change anyways. Find me someone who can actually change our living conditions

Oh, you're so pessimistic. With Trump in control of the courts, it's soon going to be completely legal (in practice, not in writing) to murder queer people. He's also going to increase coal and oil production and murder millions through droughts and other natural disasters. There's so much that's open to change.

You said you wanted change. Congratulations, you get what you want.