8 metres of cars??? What is that these days, one ford f150?
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2024
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great. but why don't we go double and also take 8m cars off the road?
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"I want to help save the earth!"
"Great! Eat less meat."
" . . . . No."
I mean, I’m 90% veg for environmental reasons mostly. But every time we share this narrative that the effort needs to be on us while the true culprits are literally upping their consumption is fucking sick. Don’t guilt people for not doing 1% of what is needed while the people/corpos doing the other 99% are pushing this “personal responsibility” narrative and literally created the language to deflect blame. We should be way more upset and spend 20000x the effort shaming and shutting down those organizations.
It doesn't matter if you put 2000x your effort into something if it has no effect. If you spend all your day shaming these corporations on lemmy that won't do anything. So the question should be what actions can make an effect?
Protests don't really do much. Electoral politics, at least here in the u.s. , are completely captured by these corporations and will never truly challenge them. I doubt what just happened in NYC is a valid tactic either. A revolution or even just a general strike is pretty much out of the picture right now.
The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them. The meat industry is burning the Amazon and emitting tons of methane, boycott them and eat less / no meat. The fossil fuel industry is lobbying congress to deny climate change while increasing production and emitting more every year, boycott them and buy less gas by driving less or taking public transit.
In this capitalist hellscape the only real choice we have is of consumption, and choosing what to consume and more importantly what not to consume is the only real way we can effect the system.
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I ain't gonna stop eating meat to save 100g of CO2 a year while Taylor Swift takes her jet when she needs to tinkle.
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I've seen very few 8 metre cars on the road...
Visit the US, look for "dualies." 6.5m long trucks and people use them as daily drivers.
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Hey how about you cut down on private jets and I keep eating my burgers
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If eating no meat at all is too hard, from a climate perspective eating no beef will have the biggest impact. Eating no ruminants to be specific, but hardly anyone is eating bison/sheep/goat on the regular.
I went like 90% vegetarian and switched to the meat substitutes. If I can do it, anyone can. I've always had a meat-a-saurus diet until 2-3 years ago.
I've only met one person who couldn't go veg, because they had allergies to everything: soy, legumes, nuts.
There's been a lot of obsession with protein in popular culture when in reality unless you're a bodybuilder you don't need a ton and a veg diet will suffice. And there are tons of vegan athletes.
The point I was making is that there is one step even the laziest can take to have an impact: just stop eating beef. Going full veg is better of course.
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While I support not eating meat, I am also realistic and reducing is good enough.
But the problem is that not every meat is created the same. There is one footprint for meat feom animals that are grazing and are used in regenerative agriculture and much bigger from industrial farming of cows fed with irrigated alfalfa in desert.
While I support not eating meat, I am also realistic and reducing is good enough.
No, we gotta completely uproot the animal agriculture industry if we want to save the planet and no “regenerative farming cattle” still uses too much land/water and has bovines abused and slaughtered for nothing.
Okay, then I might as well just keep eating as much meat as I do now though? If we have to be perfect and most people aren't going to be perfect, there's no point in even trying.
Or maybe get off your high horse, accept that humanity isn't perfect, and try to get people to eat less meat first, then worry about getting them to eat no meat at all. 50% of people doing 70% of what they should is more useful than 10% doing 100%.
There are no baby steps to stoping animal abuse. It’s not hard to follow a 31 day challenge.
Do that first then comeback critic my “big ask”.
Each child born produces as much CO2 as 71 people going vegan for life. That ignores all the other ways humans pollute. Given that 130M babies are born each year, even if the entire planet went vegan right now (forever), it would only offset the next 324 days. If you care about the environment at all, you would focus all of your ire on the the real danger: countries with high birth rates.
However I suspect this has nothing to do with the environment for you. There is a duplicitous tactic employed by vegans which seeks to hijack the environmental movement for moral aims. People such as yourself have a moral problem with eating meat, and you know that many others care about the environment, so you attempt to wed the two. I am of course happy to be proven wrong.
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Your effect on people opting NOT to eat less meat because you're trying to moralize them is going to outdo your personal contribution at least 10 to 1, maybe 100 to 1 if you interact with enough people.
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Well okay then.
If my only options are, "Continue eating all the meat you want and the planet is fucked."
...or, "Stop eating all meat and go completely vegan...and the planet is still fucked unless everyone else does it too."
Well...
... fire up that grill, man, I've got some steaks and burgers in the freezer.
God, seeing the comments from some people that I'm even nominally on the "same side of the aisle" makes me see how the other side finds it so easy to not only ridicule, but automatically unite in opposition against it.
Like, nothing brings me closer to being understanding and sympathetic to the people I'd normally be ideologically set totally against...like visiting Lemmy and seeing the shit flowing from the people I broadly tend to align with.
It should certainly be the first step. I've started like this, continuously less meat, your gut-biome slowly adjusts. I'm still not vegan/vegetarian but basically eat no meat anymore (mostly leftovers of others). A good part of it is that I just don't really like meat anymore (tastes kind of rotten?).
I recommend going this route, as I think it's easier to get into a vegan diet.
That said I think we (as a global society) should strive towards eating only vegan long-term. We got the food science and it just feels wrong (moral, inefficiency, health) and isn't sustainable.
Why don't we start by making private planes illegal instead? That amount of pollution to just move around a couple of rich assholes is insane.
Also, let's force the industry to repair and upgrade all their infrastructure to apply more recent carbon filters. That way, we could block a "very" big chuck of the problem at his source.
But no... Let's keep taking away things from the middle classes instead. After all, who needs meat, bugs are way cheaper, right?
Whole lot of whaboutism from personal responsibility and no body wants you to eat bugs.
Without meat, we need proteins. So either alimentar integrators (which are not cheap) or any "cheaper" alternative, and bugs are cheaper of fruit cultivation.
Also, the private plane thing was a provocation, but in all honesty, planes ARE the most polluting vehicles, and private one are the worst.
You can get your protein from lentils, chickpeas, tofu, tempeh, black beans, quinoa, peanut butter, almonds, spirulina, chia seeds, broccoli, and spinach.
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How many cars off the road does a dead executive take?
What about Taylor swift...
I am all about eating less meat for various reasons but this some idiotic thesis.
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You transition out of meat to save the environment.
I transitioned out of meat because of meat recalls and all the chemicals they sneak in a cow, and was ripping the hardest farts that would clear out a room.
We are not the same.
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As long as billionaires are allowed to run around and do what ever the fuck they want I will continue eating meat and not giving a fuck about recycling.
As long as billionaires have zero consequences then I will have zero sacrifices.
Fuck you all as long as you let billionaires destroy the earth while the poors take the hit.
Nah fuck all that shit.
If you want me to stop eating meat then fucking make me.
That’s absolving yourself of your personal responsibility to your health, the environment and the animals.
Just because someone is stepping on puppies doesn't make it okay for you to do it too. No one should base their morality on the reprehensible things rich people do.
Besides the plant-based alternatives are great, you wont be missing meat for long.
I obviously don't know anything about you other than that you're a lemmy user and I get your sentiment. Remember that there are likely those worse off than you as well as those with more, and those worse off will be more affected by the ongoing climate crisis.
I'm not gonna make you do anything, but by not doing anything, you're throwing those even worse off than yourself under the bus, in the same way billionaires are throwing everone worse off than them under the bus.
We don't all have to screw people over who have less power than us, even if that's what billionaires do.
As long as Israel is allowed to bomb children with impunity I will continue to beat my children.
They kill dozens of children in a day and I beat mine maybe once, twice a week. They're the real problem, and I'm not making any sacrifices until they're held accountable.
A bit underwhelming when put into the context of the estimated number of cars being closer to 1.5B, but worthwhile to pursue regardless.
This would be 8 million cars in the UK alone, which has a population of 68 million.
Serves me right for not reading the article. I'll keep my shame up for display in public
Thank you for your service 🫡
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