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[–] [email protected] 128 points 3 months ago (18 children)

Remember folks: China is communist in the same way that North Korea is democratic and the Nazis were socialist.

It's just a smokescreen.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

A core tenant of socialism is a democratized workplace, being able to vote for your wage and company policy, like an Engineer choosing when to launch the rocket instead of some MBS degree.

Last time I checked I dont think factory workers in China that make all our shit can do that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Yes. That was the point of what they posted. None of those groups are what they claim to be beyond nominally.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (58 children)

Eh, there's a notional aspiration to socialism at least, which is more than can be said about the US sphere of countries.

In practice though? Yeah, China is hyper-captialist, without much of the social security present in wealthier countries.

Why Leftist get a hard-on for the former USSR, Russia and China, or frankly any country, is beyond me.

There are positive and negative outcomes in line or against socialist ideals everywhere (I think people are too black and white about China in both directions personally)

I just do not understand simping for any country, just because they are "socialist".

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"NOOOOOOO you have to pick one of the two teams or you're a RADICAL CENTRIST!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Now hang on. If you pretend the two teams are the same and refuse to pick a side because neither is perfect so it doesn't matter, you are an enabler of fascism.

You can support a team while acknowledging their flaws. Refusing to play because the better team isn't perfect is either naive or malicious.

[–] dmMeYourNudes 32 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Or you can not join a team and evaluate things individually based on their merits

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

You still have to commit to an actual decision when the times come. Adjusting each cycle is what everyone should be doing, knowing that each person will likely stay where they’re at because why wouldn’t they?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

That's what I do.

Not surprisingly, the Republicans are always the worst and the only local opposition that has a slim chance of winning are Dems so I end up voting a straight Dem ticket despite refusing to register for the party. If there was an independent with a chance of winning I would consider them, but haven't seen any on the local positions.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Once you talk about "both teams", you imply there are only two instead of supporting those who to this day resist all states

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not really the point, but that's a funny little oxymoron; to be a radical anything you'd need to be actually committed to something so much that you want to do actual ground work to further a cause.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Radical centrism:

^needs ^more ^jpeg, ^I ^know

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

It is a real thing but the term radical is used a bit different

The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion

So not radical as in extremist action but radical change

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You are banned from /c/hexbear

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml 😭

Learnt this the hard way, my first account was on lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml is a default instance, so many newbies start there and find out how the admins operate there. So that's a funny thing with lemmy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I chose it as my first instance since I wanted a leftist one. Oh boy did I earn an experience

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's easy, mmmm'kay!

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (17 children)

This is just like how I can praise so many things about China, push back against anti-China US propaganda, and still not pretend it isn’t an authoritarian regime where Xi made himself essentially life time president now.

Speaking of that, are there any left leaning subs that aren’t delusional?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

If you find one, let us know

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

No. Failing to praise all US empire efforts to diminish China is "letting China win". There cannot be a "some good some bad" view on China. "all bad only" is allowed.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I'd say US imperialism is many magnitudes worse than any other governments, except for the brutality of Israel. Who else has more than 750 bases in at least 80 countries worldwide and spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined. But sure Russia, Iran, China, North-Korea, Venezuela bad.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's funny, but not surprising how much you're down voted here. The meme is heavily upvoted for equating (presumably US) imperialism and (presumably Chinese) authoritarianism. But give an example of how much worse the US is, and people who pretend to hate imperialism fall over themselves to defend the US.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (17 children)

I think the point is that both are bad. But somehow it always ends up with a competition where the US is more bad than the rest, and the rest is therefore somehow excused when .ml is involved

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Facts gets downvotes here!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Fools get downvotes here. When the US launches a violent offensive directly on a neighboring independent country with the intent of destroying its people and conquering its land, which NK and Russia are currently trying to do, maybe you'll have a point.

Let's just summarize the argument made here using actual facts:

Everyone says Russia is so bad for bombing children's hospitals and rest homes and apartment buildings, but look at the US's military budget!"

It's pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (11 children)

your conditions are too specific. what the US did to Iraq, Vietnam, Korea,... is already bad enough. But these dont qualify because they arent neighbors of the us, and the intentions arent exactly what you listed. still, these are already bad enough.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'd say..

Facts gets downvotes here!

Do you know how opinions are different from facts?

Such a sad excuse for an intellect.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I've seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests. It's the same song and dance from the concert of Europe giving guns to the corrupt African client kings so they can murder the other guy's corrupt African client kings. All for the noble civilizing influence of the state. But this time it'll turn out different. Just like it was different every other fucking time an empire ideologically justified it's imperialism. Because this one time is exceptional, unlike all the other instances of exceptionalism. Furthermore, I consider Carthage to need to be destroyed

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I’ve seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests.

Is this being federated from some platform other than Lemmy? Because I have literally never seen someone support that position here.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The US is the biggest source of imperialism in the world. We don't have to always follow that up with "butwhatabout" to distract from that, which is what the US media machine does by running stories all the time to manufacture consent for its own imperialism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People that are being literally killed, tortured, displaced, bombed, denied their identity, starved, raped, genocided right now by China/Russia/North Korea, looking for any support, any help from anyone willing to give it

A Leftist American: US is the biggest source of imperialism in the world and you're not being oppressed by the US, so you're not real. Have a good day. takes a privileged slurp from the huge cup of Starbucks and closes his Macbook

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Nice caricature, but it has nothing to do with my post. Pointing out that the US is the biggest source of imperialism doesn't mean no one else is doing bad things, but thanks for proving my point. Fuck Starbucks and Apple, by the way.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I'd say that Russia is the biggest source of suffering caused by imperialism in the world right now ( just going by the death toll of the Ukraine war ) . Is saying that a 'distraction' from American imperialism?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Gaza is happening because of US imperialism. Biden said that's what Israel does in the region very clearly.

Joe Biden's long history of pro-Israel statements

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No no, you don't understand. America bad, therefore anything against America is automatically good. It doesn't matter who it is or what they do.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (6 children)

This is literally why the LGBTQ+ community trusts neither the left nor the right, because historically both sides have brutalized them.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Corporate leftists, the "libruls", are right wing political actors pretending to be left wing for a variety of reasons. Supporting business over people is fascism and the liberals are fascists who don't mean to be.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

As a Venezuelan who's against Yankee imperialism and our current oppressive """""Socialist""""" government, I approve this message.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I think people should separate

A) ideal world they want
B) what has to be done now to survive because everyone is an asshole

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How is this a shitpost? there's no shit!

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