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[-] [email protected] 102 points 7 months ago

so why do we need this app again?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

It's replacing the old Nvidia control panel

[-] [email protected] 96 points 7 months ago

It's replacing GeForce Experience. The nVidia Control Panel is still around.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago

The cost of having to have an account to get "easy" driver updates always seemed a bit high to begin with. I never really found its game optimization profiles to be useful either.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

There's TechPowerUp's NVCleanstall, it has semi automatic drivers updates with a lot of granularity (though the latest version needs an update due to this new app).

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

The profiles can be nice for setting most things, but having it default all of your games to Fullscreen instead of Borderless Windowed (and no way to change what the default setting is anywhere in the program) should be fucking criminalized.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

What's the difference? And is this OS specific?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They removed the forced login too. Which was welcome imho. It’s why I tolerate it now. Just for driver updates. I use none of the other features. Sometimes I wish stuff would stay in its lane.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

GFE's only useful purpose is for ShadowPlay. Use Nvcleanstall instead to update your drivers. That way you can remove unnecessary features and stop the privacy-invading telemetry.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

So it can be ignored, like GeForce Experience?

[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

No, it should be uninstalled.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Serious question from someone who only recently moved to PC gaming: Why can it be ignored? Isn't that where you get the latest drivers? Or are you downloading and installing them manually?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

You can download them manually if you want. Updated drivers is rarely that important for performance. Maybe for newer games, but not for 98% of what's already out there.

And they also mess things up occasionally. Like all those Minecraft performance mods that had to change how the game looked to the driver, because if it looked like Minecraft it'd tune itself and get worse performance instead of better.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Some years ago, when I was still using windows, I used to run https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ instead to update drivers. Still recommend it to this day.

Another issue linux gamers don't have nowdays

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

You don't need to update your drivers every time a new version comes out, some games can actually get worse performance with a newer driver - I personally had problems with No Man's Sky, nvidia drivers over version 424 I think, made the game effectively unplayable, while versions like 416 kept the game and the framerate smooth throughout.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

A driver allows games to interface with the graphics hardware, enabling accelerated performance for example. This “app” provides additional functionality on top of that (I don’t know what, but GeForce Experience it replaces provided things like recording gameplay videos etc.) which is not strictly required and, it seems, hurts gaming performance.

As for getting the latest drivers, you can do it manually by going to nVidia’s website and download them, or rely on Windows update to give you reasonably recent drivers.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

IIRC their plan is to get rid of the control panel once they‘ve carried all its functionality over to the app.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Tbh, the control panel is a lot of things, but responsive or slick aren‘t one of them. As long as they carry all the functionality over and get rid of the bugs, I‘m happy with the app. Unless they pull a fast one and add account requirements in again later.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

For now, but the plan is to migrate away from it.

[-] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago

Damn I'm happy I went AMD.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago

it is hard if you rely on CUDA and DLSS.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago

Damn I’m happy I don’t rely on CUDA or DLSS

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

How can you "rely" on DLSS when you can easily use XeSS or FSR?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Neither of them are as good, especially if you factor in raytracing. DLSS Ray Reconstruction is basically required to not have a noisy image with RTX.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Ray tracing*

RTX is a brand.

Regardless, given the performance impact and how few games actually have ray tracing (implemented correctly), it makes more sense to just disregard ray tracing altoghether.

It's an undercooked technology used to push more expensive products, nothing more.

Regarding dlss vs fsr and xess, yes dlss has better quality but it's also proprietary so I honestly do not care about it. Just like gsync died, dlss will eventually die as well.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Just like gsync died

(true) gsync isn't dead, it's only in the highest end of monitors which is basically where it's always been. It only "died" because it requires an expensive module vs adaptive sync being built into basically every modern display controller so it's basically free.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Use none of them. Embrace funny duck

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

ROCM works mostly well in replacement of CUDA, and it gets better and better every year

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

I went Linux + AMD. No more pesky adwares.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Same. Never looked back.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I thought I was happy I went AMD until my card started overrunning its fans for no reason a month after the warranty ran out. I manually had to reseat the card on the PCIe for it to stop because nothing else would, not even restarting the PC. And then one day it heated up so bad it stopped working. I think they gave me a defective card on purpose because people are less likely to return the items when they're buying from outside the US.

I've since gone back to Nvidia and my current card hasn't given me any issues. What a nightmare that was.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I swear that in my 20+ years of computer work that everyone has a story like this for every brand out there. It seems to literally be bad luck. That being said some companies just have abysmal and evil support ethics. And these days it seems all of them are trying to dial in the device failure to happen after the warranty expires.

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[-] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago

Getting ready to "motivate" people to get the 5xxx series because the current cards "have issues now". The more you buy the more you save!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Me nervously eyeing my 5yr old graphic card...

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

And the bigger the number on one of the components in the box the funnier the game!

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That‘s certainly something they‘re gonna want to fix. I hope DF and GN pick up on this, seems like free views and I‘d love to hear what they‘ve got to say on the matter.

Edit: Also wondering if it‘s the app or if the performance hit disappears when you disable the overlay. Only flew over the article to see what games are affected how badly so mb if that’s mentioned.

Edit 2:

HUB‘s Tim tested it and found that it‘s the overlay or rather the game filter portion of the overlay causing the performance hit. You can disable this part of the overlay in the app‘s settings, or disable the overlay altogether.

He also found that this feature wasn’t impacting performance on GeForce Experience, so it’s very likely a bug that’s gonna be fixed.

To clarify: Using game filters actively can have an impact on either, but right now even when not actively using them, they cause a performance hit just by the functionality being enabled; a bug.

The only outlier where just having the app installed hit performance was the Harry Potter game.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Let me guess... It uses CFE or Electron?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yep, uses CEF, though many popular desktop apps do without much perf impact.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

It's not CEF that does most of the impact. It's the contents web devs make it load and process. And web devs generally not being very competent in optimizing is just a sad reality.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Serious question: what is the benefit of Shadowplay now?

I used to use it for all game recording, but Windows Game Bar and Steam have both implemented that functionality now.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Interesting, as DSOgaming got 4-6% in some games, 0% in others.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Dsogaming has barely ever been a reliable source tbh

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I already swore off nvidia. My 2080 has been the biggest pain in the ass

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I know people complain about Nvidia and Linux but one of the best parts of my experience with it was never having to deal with GFE. Just a bunch of project managers trying to make themselves useful by shovelling needless slop into your GPU driver.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I used to only use this for game recording. But, it got a glitch where games record with a red tint ever since I upgraded my monitor. Thankfully, every single gaming helper app seems to feature recording now, so I just switched to another.

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