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Terraforming Mars team defends AI use as Kickstarter hits $1.3 million (www.polygon.com)

submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (7 children)

A small team of 7 was able to create something of this magnitude , all thanks to the various tools of today like Generative AI.

We talk about the bad stuff of AI. But here's the good... small mom and pop shops being able to release top tier products like the big companies.

[+] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (11 children)

My programming training relied on other creators who were not compensated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I imagine creators who... released their work for free, and/or open source?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Were they in public forums and sites like stack overflow and GitHub where they wanted people to use and share their code?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Stable Diffusion uses a dataset from Common Crawl, which pulled art from public websites that allowed them to do so. DeviantArt and ArtStation allowed this, without exception, until recently.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Where did the AI companies get their code from? Is scraped from the likes of stack overflow and GitHub.

They don't have the proprietary code that is used to run companies because it's proprietary and it's never been on a public forum available for download.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Devil's advocate. It means that only large companies will have AI, as they would be the only ones capable of paying such a large number of people. AI is going to come anyway except now the playing field is even more unfair since you've removed the ability for an individual to use the technology.

Instituting these laws would just be the equivalent of companies pulling the ladder up behind them after taking the average artist's work to use as training data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How would you even go about determining what percentage belongs to the AI vs the training data? You could argue all of the royalties should go to the creators of the training data, meaning no one could afford to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

How would you identify text or images generated by AI after they have been edited by a human? Even after that, how would you know what was used as the source for training data? People would simply avoid revealing any information and even if you did pass a law and solved all of those issues, it would still only affect the country in question.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Then we shouldn't have artists because they looked at other art without paying.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oonga boonga wants his royalty checks for having first drawn a circle 25,000 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

As distinct from human artists who pay dividends for every image they've seen, every idea they've heard, and every trend they've followed.

The more this technology shovels into the big fat network of What Is Art, the less any single influence will show through.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Literally the definition of greed. They dont deserve royalties for being an inspiration and moving a weight a fraction of a percentage in one direction...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

Good interview. They didn't let them off the hook, but weren't pushing an agenda either.

This is going to be a moving target that someone is going to pay big bucks to figure out in court. International laws are not up to speed on what is or isn't ok here, and the ethical discussion is interesting to watch unfold.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

I didn't see the sub at first and thought it was a kickstarter for a real-life mars terraformation project

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Awesome, I didn't know they had a kickstarter going. No such thing as bad press I guess.