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Spotify wrapped started this trend seems other apps are following through. Seeing a summary of things you did with there app. Kind of gives you a hint how much other things are being tracked.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 3 months ago (2 children)

data retention

It's the opposite - most regulatory frameworks require that you only retain data if you have a "legitimate purpose" for holding on to it; providing app features absolutely is a legitimate purpose, so by having a "wrapped" you can justify holding on to everything a user does - after all, you need it to provide features.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nope. Especially under GDPR. To use an example of Spotify - having a "wrapped" is not part of the core offering and is not necessary for the service to work. Meaning they need your permission to store that data (or other legal framework).

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

I love hearing about how protective the GDPR is and wish it was a worldwide initiative with the teeth to truly protect humanity from themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Music recommendations are part of the core offering though and keeping play history is pretty vital for that. There might be local ways to do it but probably not as good

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

That's interesting never thought of that.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Isn't that just basic data they already kept track of?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

A boring dystopia

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Not really sure what you mean basic but if tracking someone's clicks on certain button, or features and can be traced back to you. It's actually kind off putting so much for making your information anonymise which most companies claim.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

But for Spotify they are tracking how many times you played different songs. Not trying to defend them, but for a music service I’m pretty sure they need to track that kind of information regardless. Might as well tally it up and show your own data to you

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They only need aggregate data for that, they don't need them to be assigned to a specific user account.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Music players have been keeping play counts since before the invention of the iPod. It's a datapoint that users have come to expect. I actually wish services like Spotify or Apple Music did a better job of displaying this data throughout the year rather than just in end of year infographics.

Like I dunno, Google is literally collating your location data, I hardly think music plays is top secret info.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I actually wish services like Spotify or Apple Music did a better job of displaying this data throughout the year rather than just in end of year infographics.

Preach

Spotify > Search > Made For You > “On Repeat” / “Repeat Rewind” = not sufficient

Chad Google Play Music > sort by plays = perfect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought Google Play Music didn't exist anymore?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Sure doesn’t yeah, guess I was just reliving a good feature memory 😉

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

They need that assigned to specific use accounts so that people can look at their play history. A thing that people often want to do with their music players.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

If they did that it would be far too easy for people to boost listens and ratings with bots

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

But "wrapped" type things aren't using button press telemetry. They're using data that the user wants access to anyways, like their Spotify play history, or Duolingo lesson progress.

It doesn't even make sense to anonymize that data because people want to see their play history, not what was popular last week.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I use the journalling app Daylio, which has a wrapped feature. It's all done locally, on device. Not every implementation of this feature is spying on you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This app is pretty cool. Just saying this because it let me export my data when I wanted to stop using it. Which is not a common feature in proprietary software so hats off to the devs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

not a common feature in proprietary software

Just so you know, the GDPR mandates that you can at any time get a full export of all your personal data from anyone who's processing it in a common, machine readable format. It is laudable though to have that integrated as a feature in the software, rather than jumping through hoops contacting support etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Just to add on, it's not just they let you export data in a cool PDF, it also lets you export the data as a CSV so it can be parsed by other things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If it just uses data that is on your device right now, that is okay. But if it keeps track on things, even on your device, it can lead to security vulnerabilities, depending how it is stored how long it is kept.

And most importantly, enshittification and automatic updates could easily change that policy to retroactively hoover up all that precious data. This stuff is insanely valuable too.

Not saying daylio is doing it or going to. Just that keeping data comes with a risk. ideally, there should be clear documentation what is being kept, where and for how long.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

You're right, I should just refuse to trust any developers and go back to the paper journal I never used.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Antenna-Pod does it this way as well.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I doubt it.

The kind of data used for "wrapped" type summaries are usually the kind of data that users want to be tracked because it powers features they want.

Like Spotify wrapped is based of Spotify play history, and being able to see your recently played songs is a feature people want.

Duolingo wrapped is based on lesson progress, and it has to track your progress else it doesn't know what lesson you're doing.

idk what other apps do this, it's pretty rare for me, but afaict it's all just normal stuff.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of privacy problems that apps try to fuck with, but I don't think that yearly wrapped is likely to be one of them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't mind apps keeping track of how I've been using them. But if duolingo tells me where my friend got married and congratulates me on keeping my streak through that then we're gonna have some concerns

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Lucy does keep saying that she is always listening rather ominously

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My to do list app had a wrapped and I was deeply displeased to see it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"You bought $300 worth of candles every month!"

Don't remind me 😔

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's not my job to educate you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

It's also a fun way to see how good their data is

For a few of the apps, the data was very limited and/or very wrong. That made me happy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

That actually requires very little data compared to the amount of data being collected. They collect absolutely everything all the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The only software that could do that for me was Steam; saying when I played which games how long, and if it appeared to be on a Steam Deck or not. It did not nearly track all the Deck data, it seems if the Deck has no Internet connection for long enough it kind of just discards data it held and it never gets synced to Steam. For my desktop it was accurate, but only the game time stats it already let me know it tracks.

Since nothing else could “wrap” my annual data I think I'm going fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I know Steam itself says it doesn't track your playtime while you're playing offline. Not sure about the Steam Deck, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only app I have that does such a thing does it because it's deliberately gamified to help you build a good habit and tracking/summarizing your achievements for that year. IMO any other kind of app doing that is a gigantic red flag and you ought to delete it and find a replacement in the F-Droid repository (which consists entirely of Free Software that is much less likely to contain those sorts of dark patterns and other antifeatures) instead.

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