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[–] [email protected] 153 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Democrats let it happen and let it slide after the fact. The GOP is criminal. The Democrats are just lazy and weak.

Unger reserved his most intense criticism for the Washington Post, which owned Newsweek at the time and, he says, had an outsize role in quietly killing the story. He’s also equally critical of Congressional Democrats, who he claims never pursued the dramatic charges as earnestly as they should have.

“Democrats were lap dogs,” Unger said

From here:https://www.press.org/newsroom/media-covered-1980-iran-hostage-deal-october-surprise-author-tells-club

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago

Damn, nothing has changed

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And this is why the lesser evil is still evil.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Democrats serve the rich class. They're a red herring to make us believe that we are a democracy

[–] [email protected] 148 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My first thought also, and I strongly recommend Ken Burns' Vietnam War doco to those who haven't seen it - that's where I first learned of Nixon's unforgivable treason (about this particular topic... not to mention his other treasons).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

See also Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail by HST.

[–] [email protected] 135 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Then they committed treason again with Iran Contra

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago

GOP: Oops, all treason

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

I'm not young and there isn't a time in my life when the GOP wasn't somehow treasonous

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Ollie North! Ollie North! He's a soldier! And a hero! And a novelist! And now he's on Fox Neeeeeews!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Deplorables doing deplorable things.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"This was genuine treason by the GOP."

Nah...just a typical Wednesday for them.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago

Two things can be true

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

I mean - not really. It was pretty bold at the time.

Now, yes. Because nothing was ever done about it and no accountability etc.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago

especially given iran contra drugs for guns. The whole thing is unbelievable and the historic thing has been. shrug.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

It was not unprecedented. Nixon sabotaged the Vietnam War peace talks to get elected too. Don't think that has ever been addressed very well either.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I bet you the exact same is happening with Nethanyanhu and Trump.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

I think you mean Putin and Trump. Netanyahu isnt at war, they're committing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nothing new here. Regan was the flashpoint of the dumpster fire that is America now. Nixon was just the match. Trump is a tanker truck full of napalm.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't give Trump that much credit (yet), the damage done by Reagan was far greater (disregarding social/demographic, which I mostly blame the attention industry of). But we'll see how much damage he does this time, maybe he "trumps" Reagan...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's speaking openly about imprisoning political opponents and even members of his own party that didn't bend the knee. And now the Courts he packed are backing up his claims to absolute immunity.

He even said people will no longer "need to vote" after he's done.

The best hope for America right now is an aneurysm.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why is media and news so important? It controls the recording of history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

When a large majority of media conglomerates being conservative, like the Sinclaire group, it makes sharing this news with Americans very difficult.

Throw in education restrictions to keep kids from learning about these events in school, you've got a steep uphill battle to raise awareness.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They keep doing it. And then they do other shady shit like schedule the pulling of troops out of ~~Syria~~ Afghanistan for next year because it won't be their problem by then. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

lmfao I had a feeling something was off when I wrote that and didn't give it a second thought. But yes, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Luckily, your Democrat party is like "it is beneath us us to even notice such filth".

It's not very effective though.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A sacrifice to the elite, for the greater good of wealth concentration, the gods of greed demanded it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (8 children)

This is why I don't understand why people say that Trump winning again is the end of democracy.

Trump's behavior is not "weird"; it's standard American politics.

The only way to beat it is to offer real democracy, real economic change, and to take people unhappy with the current system seriously instead of dismissing them as "weird" or "deplorables".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Trump’s behavior is not “weird”; it’s standard American politics.

It's not. I remember all the presidents since Nixon. The stuff Treason Trump did is an order of magnitude worse than anything that came before.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Even knowing everything that has come before intimately doesn't make Trumps stuff make any sense. There is a reason all the professional historians, including the ones politically on his side, are up in arms about him and his plans. This is not "business as usual", he is as bad as literally everyone that has any idea about any of this stuff says he is.

He is way too easy to corrupt and sway. He has no idea what he is doing and trusts all the wrong people because they play him so easily. He's a "useful idiot", but useful to people who want to bring America down or just make more money for themselves. He still thinks all of his plans are his own ideas, or at least that he is doing them for his own reasons, but they are just tapping into his overblown self-confidence and ego.

The reason calling him "weird" actually worked is because he knows that word... schoolyard taunts bother him so much more than accurate assessments of the consequences of his actions. If he could follow along with that logic, he wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Deplorables doesn't get to him because he has no idea what that means and refuses to learn. He has an aversion to reading. Yes, that thing that is basically 90% of the presidents job.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (22 children)

see worse is, surprisingly for some, worse than bad and then, this is pretty advanced now, even worse is worse than worse. its trippy.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Oh, are we counting treasons again? I guess mid-century modern is actually a thing now. Good, it’s a nice aesthetic. Bell bottoms and protest, fuck yeah.

Maybe this time we can follow through, eh? We’ve seen what happens when we don’t.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The real story here is that Iran betrayed their people and worked with Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It's a theocracy, I'm not sure why you would expect it to care that much. But also, the theory is that part of the deal was for weapons to be deliered to Iran. Iran's military had been weakened badly in the revolution, Iraq was right next door with a very large military, the new Iranian government had called for the Iraqi one to be overthrown, and the two had existing border tensions that would go on become a full scale war in less than a year. Seeking weapons to re-arm when ypu expect a fight with a strong neighbour is pretty rational if you ignore the morality of all of it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not really. That's generally just something anyone should expect. After all the United States China Russia etc etc etc etc have all done the same. It's why allowing a concentration of power. Or in cases like China and Russia demanding a concentration of Power are such bad things. Power corrupts.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The country that kills girls for not wearing a head covering? That's the one you're expecting to take care of it's people?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, it's not

But I know that trying to explain it like you were 3 would be too hard for someone posting from .ml

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