Hate gets easier the farther removed you are from the object of your hatred.
All want to eat sausage, no-one wants to butcher pig. Or something like that.
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They are still asking the wrong questions and blissfully ignoring the elephant in the room. If you round up thousands of people there will be logistical problems:
a) you can only deport people to countries which are willing to take them.
b) you'll have to detain them until they can be deported
Which means concentration camps. Ask Americans if they support concentration camps in their country. Because that is what is going to happen.
Yeah that's exactly how the concentration camps happened in Nazi Germany. The initial plan wasn't to start starving and gassing the Jews. It was to round them up and deport them. Turns out you can't practically deport millions of people, so they started murdering them instead.
I think you're missing an "n't" in there somewhere
Whoops, thanks. Fixed it.
For the third time, at least.
I mean, we always have in the past. Native Americans, Japanese during wwII, waco
concentration camps
Detention facilities. Or whatever bullshit they come up with to make it seem alright.
Word play is a very American Thing.
I'd say it's a very "thing that's done in politics" everywhere.
Well they're already building the camp(s) in Texas. I don't know how anyone who voted for this thought it would go down. It's a bit late to cry "but not like that!".
Fervently Supporting a thing you wouldn't support if you just gave a little critical thought to the matter feels uniquely American.
Brexit says it's not just America.
Aren't right wing factions gaining ground in most countries now? No policy based off hate will be intellectual.
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And doubly republican.
Willful ignorance is a universal "value". America is just ahead of the curve, at the moment. Counting out other countries is just prejudice.
India with Muslims, Chinese with Uyghurs, Europeans with Muslims, Canadians with First Nations, Denmark/Greenland with natives, Myanmar and Rohingyas, Brazil with Natives. I can keep going
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Only because you’re prejudiced.
This just in,
Racist people dumb as shit.
More News at 11
Immigrants made America great, and America needs immigrants to remain great.
America hasn't been great for anyone but rich people for quite some time now. There's certainly worse places to be but there's also a lot of better places regardless of which metric you evaluate that by.
Why does US continue to attract so many immigrants across the economic scale and education level
I generally try to avoid doing the whole "American propaganda" shtick, but in this case... I mean come on. We make some of the most popular, ubiquitous media of any country in the world, and the vast majority of it shows us loving freedom and being cool as hell.
I won't deny that our standard of living is among the highest in the Americas, but the fact that things are getting worse all the time doesn't seem to matter to most people
Pretty much every immigrant already knows people here, whether closely or indirectly. They are not drawn by the rosy picture presented by the NBA or Marvel movies and presuming they are is really condescending and honestly embarrassing too. No - what they see is members of their families or friends' families succeeding and sending back massive remittances, or for the professional workers they have easy access to pay scales for the same industry in the US vs. their home country and a certain number of them are more than willing to trade distance from family for 2x to 3x salary.
... You think it's embarrassing that I think that advertising works?? You're hilariously naive to think that it doesn't.
Like I said, sure, we have a higher standard of living than most countries, but there are plenty of options when it comes to moving somewhere with a higher-value currency. And any other option will probably come with some form of socialized medicine and better protections for workers. Oh and they won't have an incoming administration promising to deport everyone en masse and keep them in camps in the meantime.
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Very few people have a grasp on immigration law in the first place. I'd imagine most Americans don't understand that if someone was brought into the country without a visa as a child, raised here, and got married to a citizen and had kids they must be deported and are banned from applying for a green card for 10 years (there are appeals to this, but that's how the process stands). Breaking up families like that is nonsensical from a public policy standpoint, so nobody really intuits that's how the system works.
This happened to an old co-worker of mine. His wife was deported after they had been married for awhile and had a kid. It took them something like 6 or 7 years, and tens of thousands of dollars, to get her back to the US, and she almost died in the process. The cartel found out her husband was American and mugged her on her walk home from work. They stabbed her in the neck, barely missing her carotid artery. Their story is crazy af, and still breaks my heart for them, when I think about. Dude, lost out on most of his first daughter's early childhood and almost lost it all because the US thinks it's necessary to punish people that were brought here as children. So stupid.
Thankfully, they're all in the US now and, last I heard, they had another kid and are doing great. :)
Republicans have primed Americans into thinking illegal immigrants are criminals bringing in crime and drugs into the country. Which is completely fabricated and untrue. However, the Democratic Party have failed to counter message (since they dropped the Dreamers messaging) and instead adopted the right wing on immigration. That's the entire reason we see this contradiction. A genuine counter message would be popular. And it's essential considering that Trump is going to start mass deportations tomorrow, which will quickly mean the beginning of concentration camps for millions of Americans
Even within the polls where deportations have majority support, in the same poll, there is much more support for legalization.
https://www.vox.com/policy/368889/immigration-border-polls-election-2024-trump-harris
https://news.gallup.com/poll/647123/sharply-americans-curb-immigration.aspx
About one in 10 Americans — and close to 1 in 5 Republicans — said they'd support deporting immigrants who are in the country lawfully.
Lead and microplastics have severely fucked us all up in the head.
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TWO-THIRDS?? Where did they do their sampling, Cracker Barrel?
If only. That comes out to nearly all Republicans and around a third of Democrats. I could totally see 30% of Democrats being in favor of mass deportations.
First line of the article
Most U.S. adults (9 in 10 Republicans and close to half of Democrats) say they support mass deportations of immigrants living in the country illegally
You gotta remember that the "They're taking our jobs" and "They're getting our tax money" propaganda has been pervasive in America for decades. And they don't, actively or passively, want to know about the realities of the lives of undocumented immigrants in the US. They don't want to read the studies or know the data. Feelings don't care about the facts.
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This reminds me of the UK's shelved(?) plan to detain refugees and deport them to Rwanda. I don't just mean people who have come from Rwanda, I mean everyone, just using Rwanda for people storage. If it wasn't such a dark topic, I'd say the whole thing was slapstick, both in it's original conception and attempted implementation.
Close enough, welcome back Australia
UK’s shelved(?) plan
The UK Conservative Party government managed to send 4 people who cooperated to Rwanda before they lost the elections. It only cost them 700 million pounds.
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It was another act of performative cruelty, devised by another hateful, xenophobic piece of shit who was borrowing from the Trump playbook.
Not that anyone asked me but I support a two pronged approach that involves revamping the entire immigration system while sending aid to countries suffering mass emigration. (Seriously, how do I get asked to participate in one of these polls?)
I don’t know if they’re trying to hide their racism but I’ve observed many people say they’re just focused on the illegal immigrants. I think a lot of people actually respect the value of immigrants in this country and want them to come here via the appropriate channels.
If we minimize the astounding number of people coming here illegally because their country is shit and/or because our system for processing them is shit, it should be logistically easier to track and capture people coming in for nefarious reasons.
What we should all be more concerned about is our inability to escape political theater and propaganda. We are being lied to and manipulated to hate and to attack one another for the benefit of corporations and politicians. In and of itself, this isn’t new. But it’s ability in the 21st century to spread and mutate instantaneously is something we have to make ourselves more conscious of.
Edit: Trump just signed an executive order making it more difficult for people seeking assylum to enter legally https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/jan/20/live-fact-check-trump-inauguration-day-president/
Within an hour of being inaugurated, Trump’s administration disabled the CBP One app, a promise he made during his campaign. The app launched during Trump’s first term and former President Joe Biden expanded its use. Biden allowed asylum seekers to use the CBP One application to schedule appointments at ports of entry. Illegal immigration at the southern border dropped substantially after Biden made most people ineligible for asylum if they crossed the U.S. border between ports of entry. The Department of Homeland Security says all CBP One appointments are canceled. According to CBS News, around 270,000 migrants were in Mexico awaiting CBP One appointments. A reporter for The Washington Post shared a video of a woman in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, crying after hearing that CBP One had been shut down.
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Do we know what the response would be if you asked them in an open-ended manner? Is there a party-line answer circulating in the right-wing cinematic universe?