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An outgoing president needing to pardon his family pre-emptively because the incoming president is threatening them is well along the path to fascism.
Good job electing Trump you fucking morons. I hope that the consequences of your own actions hurt you more than they hurt the rest of the world.
... well along the path to fascism.
Oh, we're already there.
Good job electing Trump you fucking morons.
I'd like to thank the Gaza single issue voters and bLuEMagA mouth breathers, good job guys!
Gaza was either not big enough to affect the result, or big enough where your candidate should have acknowledged it. You can’t have it both ways.
But muh scapegoat :(
To be honest, there is a lot of blame to be cast on the Dem leadership as well as the voters. They managed to run one of the most uninspiring campaigns of all time.
Americans are not the dumbest mf around because you voted a felon and the man who attempted a coup into office knowing full ell us has literally no measures to make him ever leave.
You are the dumbest mf around since you blame the other campaign for being uninspiring.
It was the most important election in US history: a literal felon who attempted a coup and was somehow not hanged for it vs a candidate.
Yeah no. Even if the choice had been a blabbering idiot with a Napoleon identity crisis and a beany with propellor for a hat…. then still you don’t vote for a grifting fascist antichrist . It’s really not that hard.
Nah, they gave voters plenty to be hopeful about but none of them actually want that future. The choice was pretty damn clear.
FWIW, as an American, I really hope you're right. Because there is serious potential for us to fuck up the entire rest of the world for a very, very long time.
The US fucked up the world a long time ago, we're all entering the find out phase now.
Sadly we would have embraced fascism whether voters elected Trump or Harris/Biden, as we've seen with the sentiment towards Palestinians.
With the former, it's fascism. With the latter, it's fascism-lite.
Ultimately, we're going to reach a chilling point that will probably demand a WWIII. When that comes has probably now been accelerated due to Trump winning.
Sanders was our key to fighting fascism. Sadly Obama, Clinton, and Biden all kneecapped him in favor of billionaires and the status quo while claiming no responsibility for the seeds they sewed.
To be fair they didn’t actually elect trump, the election was clearly rigged
Yep. The traitor even said so last night, by dementia accident.
I don’t understand why folks downvote comments pointing this out to be honest. Like bro, the man literally fucking said it out loud what more do you want. He’s quoted as saying a) Elon musk in some way stuffed the electronic ballots in PA and b) he (ie trump) wouldn’t be president if the election had not been rigged what more do you want bro serious question I’m fucking interested
Giving his family the last train car out of germany before the third reich shuts down the border.
They may want do just that. Do anyone believe Trump will honor these pardons. Also are they even valid if they haven't been charged with a crime.
It’s not about whether or not he honors them. The effectiveness of those preemptive pardons can be adjudicated by the SC. But there’s a couple of considerations on that front:
But also:
TL;DR: who fuckin knows at this point
Their validity has never been constitutionally challenged. It's not really been done much in the past, the notable example being Nixon and no one challenged that.
If you have to pardon your family since the future felon president is assuming office that has no safeguards against dictatorship, then you really should've just have the next guy arrested and sent to quackamole bay
"The Repbulicans under Trump will end Democracy! Vote for us!"
"How about you use your legal powers to prevent a threat to Democracy? How about you run on a popular platform?"
"Yeah no, we don't do that. Also we got Dick Cheney on board. Look at all the ghosts of Iraqi kids he murdered glooming behind him. Aren't they cute? Also we will enact more policies for the good billionaires. #Vibes."
"And this, son, is the sound of useful idiots"
As the Democrats have declared there is good billionaires and bad billionaires, it should be obvious that they are two sides of the same oligarchy.
If you want anything to improve you need to get rid of the oligarchy as a whole. But the oligarchy has successfully spend a lot of money on gaslighting people into fighting over which oligarchs to support instead.
That's a great point against politics in general. But fails to address why letting the worse if two evils was the right move.
Perfectly normal country
Sad. In "The Land of the Free" you should never have to do this. We are well and truly fucked if this tribalism isn't put down. Cutting into our education has done irreparable damage.
Since when do pardons protect you from future crimes?
They don't, but that's not the point. Trump has suggested that various members of Biden's family and inner circle I have done wrong and should be prosecuted. This is preemptively heading that off, ensuring that there cannot be a witch hunt.
In the US it's just basically untested, but it probably wouldn't hold up but you can still write it on the paper 🤷♂️
With the Trump appointed supreme court it definitely won't hold up, but maybe it could delay whatever meaningless charges he can come up with long enough for another election. If we're lucky enough to have another real election that is at least.
I don't think they are preemptive pardons in the sense that they are pardons for future crimes. They are pardons for unspecified past crimes that have not yet been charged. That is not unheard of. For example, Carted issued blanket pardons for everyone who dodged the draft during the Vietnam war whether they had been charged or not.
Where it is untested is if he tried to pardon himself. That has never been tested in the courts and is generally considered invalid on the premise that you cannot be the judge in your own trial.
I really have a hard time with this position that there’s a “peaceful transfer of power” yet there’s a fear in the outgoing administration expecting retribution.
I hope everyone gets what they voted for.
Including those who didn't vote
One last twist of the knife on your way out the door. Slick move sleepy Joe.
Let's not pretend like Trump won't be pardoning his family of any and all crimes as well.
I don't think it's quite the same thing when someone singles out your family and everyone that has "wronged them" politically, and threatens to hang them legally, and maybe even literally.
Trump has already done that at the end of his previous term.
The difference is that Trumps family are actually criminals. This is protecting family from blatant partisan witch hunts.
"It's different when we do it. We HAD to do it.".
Abuse of power is abuse of power. The Democrats can't say they are the party of the just and fair when they are doing the exact same shit they condemn the right for doing.
The Democrats will continue to lose if they try and play dodgeball with the Teflon Don. Nothing has stuck or ever will stick to that man and it's almost entirely thanks to the Democrats in the first place. They should have chosen to eat it on the nose and double down on them being the party that doesn't try and break rules for personal gain. At least then they would have a legitimate leg to stand on. But they didn't. They tried to play Trumps game. And they lost. And they will continue to lose.
I want to believe they will have learned anything from 2016-2024, but only time will tell. I suspect that when 2028 rolls around we will find out that the Democrats have still learned absolutely nothing. Based on my discussions with my left leaning friends and family its really not looking good for them in 2028.
From the beginning, Trump fed yall the bullshit of "it's a witch hunt". He responded this way to even the smallest of accusations. Now, yall have sainted him, and have placed him completely above reproach. He gets away with anything he wants, says it's a witchhunt, & yall eat that shit up.
One last twist of the knife on your way out the door.
What? How does this harm you in any way? You're aware that twisting the knife is something extremely painful and damaging, right?
The next few years will need a shitload of popcorn lmao
Years? I give it a month... 25% tarrifs start 2/1.
People in Guantanamo are rotting away but Bidens family must be protected.
Both things can be true
Fuck off, Biden. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Pardons for you and your family and nothing for us, huh?
By the way, accepting a presidential pardon is an admission of guilt. It's why some people refuse them - it damages their ability to argue innocence in court cases.
Funny how Biden thinks the felon in chief gives a shit about some magic words. If he wants to punish him, he will, and nobody can stop him now.