Not just them, anybody with fucking power. Where is the military right now? Theres a fucken coup happening in plain sight.
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I thought this was what the second amendment was for... Well regulated militia and stuff...
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well, no, not a coup, a constitutional crisis, but not a coup
It's not a coup unless it's from the Potomac Valley region of the US. Otherwise, it's just a sparkling crisis.
It's a distinction without a difference. It's an unlawful seizure of power.
Idk man I’d say it falls under the definition of coup. With extra steps sure, still a coup tho imo
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The dems have no coherent message and strategy because they are an attempt to unify basically everything that isn't the far right under one banner. That means that different politicians under it, and different voters that vote for them, want fundamentally different things. Taking a firm, party-wide stance that satisfies the left wing of the party would risk driving off the segment that is just "conservatives that dont feel comfortable with how openly bigoted the republicans are", and vice versa. But trying to please everyone by committing to nothing and running on good vibes eventually results in people getting frustrated with voting for a party that doesn't advance what they want.
And yet Republicans have successfully runs on being everything the left is not under one banner successfully for two decades now, taking over the entire federal government.
That's because the Republicans aren't afraid to tell their base they'll do it all regardless of it contradicts with something else, even if they know it's controversial, and they push all of it through and let's everyone know they tried to push it through. They show to their members they have their backs regardless of how stupid it is.
Meanwhile on the Democrat side, you don't have a single mainstream leader that's willing to do that and actively squashes anything that might upset the moderates or their donor resulting in no one feeling like the Democrats will actually fight for them because they won't.
In this tumultuous and historically dangerous time, what are the dem centrist leaders pouring their efforts into? This corporate whoring BS to crack down on illegal streaming. And not much else. I hope the check the movie industry cuts to the DNC is worth it.
This is something else that the Republicans have always had an edge on.
I can't remember exactly how the saying goes. Something about trying to serve two masters and you end up pleasing neither. Republicans have learned that message. Democrats have not.
Even before the days of Trump, Republicans have always given one clear, consistent message and you either have to take it all or leave it all. You want the immigration policies? You take all the bigotry and tax cuts for the rich that goes with it. You want religious freedom? Then you take our anti-abortion policies too. If it's that important to you, then your option is to hold your nose and vote for us. Trump has streamlined the process and put a face to the ideology, but the underlying tactic is the same. One man, one message. Take it or leave it. There is no option B.
Democrats have never learned that. Think of it. Even when Trump isn't in office, who is the face of the Republican party? Trump. He will be the face of the party long after he's dead. And his party's message will be the same as it's been for decades: This is what the party is all about. Take it or leave it.
Who's the face of the Democrat party? What consistent message have the Democrats ever sent? They try to be a broad umbrella for everybody who isn't Republican. They have no party leader. No face of the party. No message. They try to please the independents and centrists and end up pissing off the far left, only to try to please the far left and alienate the centrists. It's the epitome of trying to please two masters and pissing off both. It's the epitome of "jack of all trades, master of none". It has always been this way. They have never, ever learned that trying to please everybody just ends up pissing everybody off. They need to learn one thing from the GOP: Find a message, stick with it, and stop trying to be all things to all people. If the people are on your side about an issue that's that important to them, they'll hold their nose and accept the rest.
They try to please the independents and centrists and end up pissing off the far left, only to try to please the far left and alienate the centrists.
Only because they pretend the far left are about "woke" social policy stuff and absolutely refuse to even consider left economic policy.
Ask people what progressives stand for lately and they will say trans rights and wokeness.
I do wonder if everything on the far left seeming to be about "trans" this and that is an attack by centrists and fascists to portray all of the progressive left's agenda as being about issues that are critical to only 1% of the population.
Are trans issues Important?
Yes. But are trans rights issues the most critical issues of our time?
No. Not even close. Trans rights doesnt rise to importance over class struggles affecting all of us or state sanctioned mass murder in Gaza.
Are they more important than .. school vouchers, school lunches, and oil drilling issues? yes.
Are they more important than gun violence in schools?
I'd argue no.
Womens reproductive care rights?
Fuck No.
I think the progessives have been trapped by cleverly malign marketing tricks, many of which are from our own dem coalition partners. Centrist bad actions within the DNC to limit progressive influence needs to be reckoned with.
I was just asking a friend this last Friday. The party is led by out of touch boomers, backed by moneyed interests, and refuses to change. They'd rather not rock the boat or be the cause of a division in our society. Yet here we are, more divided than ever and growing by the day.
At least it wasn't by their hands?
you don’t see any other actors or forces that have led to division?
The thing about wedge issues is that it doesn't matter if someone gave it a whack, the divide was already there.
The fascists aren't fascists because Big Scary Putin brainwashed them with a magic crystal, this is what they want.
Easy answer: because they are led by centrists who stand for nothing much beyond being in the middle so something can get done. The very nature of centrism is to not be in favor of either side of a political spectrum. Everything is negotiable, lately even the current value of human life abroad, which will come back to our shores. Centrists sure as hell cant lead much of anywhere coherent, or win elections. They can be proud of something like an infrsatructure bill, and they feel like that should be enough to get voters to the polls for them. Its just not. Anything uncontroversial enough that the right wont object to is not going to animate the left either. They can't win on road-building and post office branch naming.
Parties need money to exist. Without voter funding from people and groups who want to get specific things done, the only funding they can get is from corporations who want dirty favors, so centrists inevitably become the dirty corporate favor party too. Or, "whores" if you will. Its whore or starve for these folks.
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because they're paid to be.
"look, there are good billionaires. We're going to take money from the good billionaires, we won't accept money from the bad ones."
The new DNC "leader"
just saw that clip today.. this guy is exactly what you expect of the dnc- they're signalling they haven't learned a thing. hope democrats are looking forward to jd vance and co.
We’re going to take money from the good billionaires, we won’t accept money from the bad ones
As a lifelong Dem, thats just inspiring right there. "You'll all service the clean Johns only, not the diseased ones. Some trickle down goodness to you poors may or may not happen in the process. Now everyone put on your knee pads and get on your knees. The boss billionaire is entering the building."
Lmao because they are just as beholden to corporate money as the right
I think that's mostly true, I see Democrats as the power brokers. Basically they hold power between the people and corporations and attempt to maintain order. This was the mo of Republicans until Trump.
I think that they probably believe they're doing the best they can, but the reality is they serve corporations first, us second.
They're bought-out by capitol, just like the Trump Troop.
Money. They want money.
They're not spineless. They just have different values than you.
It's almost like they're all part of the same club, despite calling themselves different political parties.
It's almost like there can be things that exist in this universe which have one side, and then you can flip it over and it has another totally different side, but it's still the same object regardless of which face it's showing.
They certainly had a spine when standing up for Netanyahu.
Because none of these scenarios happened on The West Wing so they have no idea what to do
Luckily for us it should not matter. Days of free and fair elections are over. If you understand what that means please let people know. The sooner we can separate ourselves from the controlled opposition real opposition can emerge.
We are talking about a 30+ years project here. Governments die, ideas do not.
The Democrats are spineless because a bunch of them are still capitalists and don't want to mess with the status quo and disturb the money faucet that funds them. They're just as bought and paid for as Republicans, they just try to hide it behind virtue signaling and empty words.
Neoliberalism.
What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
In the last election The Executive Branch (Presidency), The Legislative Branch (Both houses of Congress) had their control swing Republican, couple that with Trump having already packed The Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court) with a Republican majority, and that's the whole ball game.
Democrats seem spineless, because not enough of The American People cast votes in Novembers election to give them to power to do or stop Republicans doing litteraly anything all.
Elections have consequences. More Arab and Latino Americans cast a vote for Donald Trump in Novembers election than have ever voted for any Republican candidate before in American History. Leftists on the other hand spent the Spring and Summer of an election year, on nightly news, marching on every major American city, and taking over University commons across the country, protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting "From The River To The Sea", and telling anyone that would listen they weren't going to vote for "Genocide Joe", which I imaging not only freaked out Middle America, but All of it, with the kicker that Democratic youth vote was the lowest on record this past election, while Republican youth vote was the highest.
Donald Trump won his second term as President of The United States by 2.3% of the vote, and the Left suppressed the Democratic Youth Vote.
protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting "From The River To The Sea", and telling anyone that would listen they weren't going to vote for "Genocide Joe",
Oh hey look it’s the rare genocide supporter that helped cost the election.
Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
So you decide that the best course of action is to allow a man who has explicitly stated he just wants to see the whole place razed to regain power? How did that help Gaza at all?
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Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
Funny that the anti-electoralists and protest vote crowd were just fine with enabling the installation of another nazi state but in the US that would provide more support to the ongoing genocide and expand it to other areas like LGBTQ+ people and aiming to start another world war. The least that they could do is take responsibility for their actions but, I don't see that happening.
The least that they could do is take responsibility for their actions but, I don’t see that happening.
That's never going to happen. They'll just downvote you to feel better about themselves.
Take a look at my post history, including in this very thread. Despite repeatedly asking, I have never had a single one of these morons ever actually answer the question of how allowing Trump to return to power was in any way better. The most they do is either downvote silently because they know they have no answer, or just tell me to go fuck myself.
And I don't expect to ever get an answer either. I'm going to keep asking because I think the downvotes are hilarious. But I don't actually ever expect to get a serious response.
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What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
I've been asking this since the election, and the best answer I get is being told to go fuck myself.
The GOP has control of all three branches of government, along with over half of the state governments. Every single state in the country swung to the right in this election, to some degree. They get to spend at least the next two years, most likely four, having the power to do exactly nothing but sit back and watch. The most they can do are angry tweets and messaging bills that won't even make it to the floor, let alone get a vote. What the fuck does anybody expect the Democrats to be able to do about it? The last available option is the Senate where Democrats can still throw a monkey wrench into the works until the GOP decide to yank the fillibuster. And once that's gone -- and it will be gone -- Democrats will literally have no power other than to sit there and be benchwarmers.
You had your chance in November, but at least some of you decided to stay home because "Genocide Joe", "old man bad", or "teh price of muh eggz" and when you're told that Trump would be worse saying "Yeah but at least its different". Well, this is what you get. Elections have consequences, and you just gave Trump all the power to do anything he wants because fuck you that's why. You don't get to complain now when all Trump is doing is delivering on the promises that he spent his entire campaign explicitly making. You don't get to act all shocked and surprised now.
The time to do something about this was November 5, 2024. And Democrats as a whole decided to take that opportunity and hand power right back to Trump.
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I guess the debate is if that’s indicative of how well they represent the voters.
They're paid to.
Whatever. Voters gave all the levers of power to the rebuplicans. Now don’t come asking for democrats to come to the rescue when they have no power at all.
The DNC wouldn't know what to do with power if they had it.
What are you talking about, they give it immediately back to the republicans when they have it in the name of compromise. Even to the point of doing it before the negotiations happen
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There's a protest planned for today near you. If you'd like to attend below is a bit of info.
Some more media mentions, mostly local and brief:
- Fox 9 St Paul (MN): https://www.fox9.com/news/50-states-50-protests-feb-5-2025
- KVRR North Dakota: https://www.kvrr.com/2025/02/04/project-2025-protests-planned-wednesday-at-all-50-state-capitol-buildings/
- Shreveport Times (Louisiana): https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2025/02/04/what-is-the-50501-movement-find-out-more-about-the-nationwide-protest-anti-fascicm-against-trump/78208443007/
- Savannah Morning News (GA): https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2025/02/04/where-are-people-protesting-in-georgia-against-trump-the-50501-details/78207555007/
- Dallas Observer (TX): https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/where-to-go-in-texas-for-the-reject-project-2025-protest-21675389
- Clarion Ledger (MS): https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2025/02/04/people-plan-to-protest-donald-trump-administration-in-mississippi-see-where-when-immigration-dei-ice/78207203007/
- Westword (Denver, CO): https://www.westword.com/news/denver-fifty-state-capitol-protest-when-where-what-to-know-23293344
- Newsweek, a second article: https://www.newsweek.com/50501-protests-update-anti-trump-march-50-states-expands-2025741
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- the Savannah GA story above seems to have been picked up by USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/02/04/where-are-people-protesting-in-georgia-against-trump-the-50501-details/78207555007/
- CT News Junkie (Connecticut newsletter?): https://ctnewsjunkie.com/2025/02/04/50501-movement-rally-planned-at-connecticut-capitol-wednesday/
- Herald Dispatch (WV) - very brief: https://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/protest-against-project-2025-planned-at-state-capitols-wednesday/article_4e7efd0e-e33e-11ef-95da-e7064df63151.html
- Longmont Leader (CO) mostly sourced from the Westword story: https://www.longmontleader.com/colorado-news/nationwide-protest-against-trump-and-project-2025-planned-in-denver-tomorrow-10181600
- Phoenix New Times (AZ): https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-arizona-fifty-states-protest-when-where-what-to-know-21131150
- KSNT Topkea (Kansas): https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/two-protests-coming-to-the-capital-city-on-wednesday/
- Herald Net (WA) - brief mention: https://www.heraldnet.com/news/protest-planned-wednesday-at-snohomish-county-campus/
- Kennebec Journal (Maine): https://www.centralmaine.com/2025/02/04/trump-project-2025-protesters-to-gather-wednesday-in-augusta/
BONUS:
- Snopes article with some info on who started it https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/04/anti-trump-state-capitol-protests-february-5/
The exact same reason, regular folks with zero chance to ever be rich in the USA, defend inheritance tax like their lives depends on them... the are ignorant and/or think they are just about to "get there" and don't want to limits to apply to themselves
Fat right only understands bullying and clearly that's the only thing that works. Supporting Trump and other far right idiots should be an equivalent of wearing a "dunce hat". Shaming actually works.
All these people want is for their external trauma to match their internal one and I say let them have it.
and the greens. why have the greens not put an end to this.
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