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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Nothing worse to people on Lemmy than another person with a SLIGHTLY different world view.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only thing worse than a heathen is a heretic!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The People's Front Of Judea

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Not just Lemmy sadly

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (5 children)

To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient... That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that's more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I'd consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it's quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.

But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I'd struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn't give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

“Our adversaries are the people on the other side of the aisle. Our enemies are right here”

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same. People literally can not comprehend that I accept whole heartedly that I believe many of the things that I do and continue to do to be immoral.

Yeah, maybe I love meat too much and I'm too weak. That has absolutely nothing to do with how I establish my moral compass.

I'd like to be a truely good person, but I'll be goddamned if the way I do that is lowering the bar to where I already stand.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People who try to live a wholly moral life end up like Doug Fawcett

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there's a huge rift, like they're competing on whose version is most ethical. It's turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it's a general issue of any community that's organized around a belief and/or got ousted by society for too long I guess. Of course there'll always be people who are like this from the beginning, perhaps due to trauma, bad upbringing, bad education or whatever.

Gotta imagine a militant vegan bible-belt Linux FOSS-Bro… oh my god…

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd love to reduce my regular meat intake to zero when my finances stabilize.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Isn't or Aren't vegetables cheaper than meat?

Edit I failed grammar 🤪

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  1. Calorie for calorie, no.

  2. Vegetables aren't the totality of my diet. As it stands now, vegan or vegetarian replacements for meat are more expensive than actual meat.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat. It's cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat.

Sorry, I'm not in the market for a new faith.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows they are adorable and I wish them all the best.

I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child. For similar reason, I would also eat horse if it was commercially available.

Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.

I eat mushrooms, but I am a little apprehensive about it because I know they are smarter than humans

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Some? Around a third I would say.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

The rich don't even have to lift a finger to divide the left.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And then, to perfectly demonstrate your point: 90% of this comments section!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This comment section is the opposite. I started nice and explaining things and people got all pissed. And you're proving my point by further misrepresenting what happens.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Vegan here, bottom left is a very small but sometimes very loud minority.
Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position. You wouldn't say „I personally don't like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“ (being hyperbolic to hammer home the point).

Mostly, a vegan diet is even cheaper than an omnivorous diet and where that might not be the case there's A.) something completely wrong with the agricultural economy and B.) most vegans would agree that these problems need to be solved.
(and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there some political quafaffel about egg prices being too high in the US? (half joke here))

@[email protected] I see the point you're trying to make (and explained in your other comment) but this is an unfair misrepresentation of vegans. I'm sure this is your perception, but it seems your perception is warped and ill informed by said small but loud minority of vegans and also other, usually intentional misrepresentation of vegans by other media.

Edit for the boneheads that rip shit out of context and are just unable of reading a text:
The loud minority is people screaming around that people should rather starve before eating animals. Most vegans usually keep to themselves and if a discussion comes to the topic of veganism explain their point like the normal people they are.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't it a little weird to call vegans who say eating meat is murder a "loud minority", and then explaining why you cannot be a vegan without saying that eating meat is murder (hyperbole or not)?

Is there something in your comment I'm missing, or is this supposed to be some self-aware joke?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Tell me, do you misrepresent what bottom left guy says on purpose?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (13 children)

"I don't care if your family starves, eating eggs is literally murder!" - How can this not be represented as "Eating meat is murder!"?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are eggs meat? And don't you think that part „I don't care if your family starves“ might be fucking important context?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Are eggs meat?" - Yes, that's what I'm saying, I'm not sure how it can be understood any other way.

Though, how can calling somebody a murderous cultist not be considered the least bit demeaning, whereas saying their family should starve is? As per "You wouldn’t say „... I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“" having similar aggressive or demeaning meaning as "I don’t care if your family starves".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are eggs meat?" - Yes, that's what I'm saying, I'm not sure how it can be understood any other way.

Then you're just plain wrong. Is a woman's unfertilized egg a baby?

Though, how can calling somebody a murderous cultist not be considered the least bit demeaning, whereas saying their family should starve is? As per "You wouldn’t say „... I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“" having similar aggressive or demeaning meaning as "I don’t care if your family starves".

You're twisting my words like they're players in a game with colored dots on a map.
I even stated that the sacrifice thing was a damn hyperbole. If you think.my comment is demeaning or aggressive, you didn't read the whole fucking thing.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You wouldn’t say „I personally don’t like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“

In most cultures killing people is significantly worse than killing animals, so this comparison doesn't really make sense.

The point I'm trying to make is that if vegans and non vegans worked together we could lower the amount of meat we eat and reduce the suffering of animals, even if it's not the perfect goal of zero animal product consumption. And that's something we should all want to work towards.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In most cultures killing people is significantly worse than killing animals, so this comparison doesn't really make sense.

It makes sense from a vegan's perspective because the whole reason we're vegan is that in our opinion, animals do have (morally) or should have (legally) the same rights to live and not be abused and exploited as humans do.

And again, the point of my comment is not criticizing your point but criticizing the way you try to bring it across by misrepresenting a few hardcore militant vegans as being the norm. Most vegans meanwhile applaud people who want to cut their consumption of animal products and offer them help.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position.

You don't see irony here?

You're just said in essence that vegans have a moral high ground in comparison to meat eaters. That's precisely what bottom left represents.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean... If they didn't believe veganism had a moral high ground they wouldn't be doing it. That's something and badgering people about how eating meat is literally murder is something else.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, that is not at all everything that bottom left guy says.

I don't want to have the same discussion twice simultaneously, so: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/16162457

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism. It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist groups. But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

A meat eater clearly made this lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Based meme. The left is fucked

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I've never, not even once, seen another vegan who has argued that a person should starve if they have no other choice but to eat animal products.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn leftist, they ruined leftism!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Can people please shut the fuck up about veganism for 5 seconds? Jesus christ, the dumbass infighting is why conservatives keep winning. Elon Musk and his nepo-baby "employees" are ransacking the federal government, ICE is rounding people up and trying to get neighbors to snitch on each other, several million people don't know how much longer they're going to be employed, and apparently we're about to build and then subsequently bankrupt casinos in Gaza, and leftists can't stop nitpicking over things that, yes, are important, but are the kind of thing we can slap fight over when the US isn't on fire. I swear to god, I'm gonna start smacking people upside the head.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I kind of agree, but it's funny how now we're blaming the republican victory on the vegans, of all people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not blaming it on vegans. I've been vegan for years. I think more people should try it. I'm blaming it on the fact that people can't shut up about stuff like what we're eating long enough to be effective. Right now, there are an awful lot more people than usual in my community seeking out food banks and I don't give a shit what they eat as long as they're fed. I'm running a food drive and I don't care if people bring beef stew all day.

And the people who see the word "vegan" and feel compelled to rush in to shit on the idea are equally at fault. Like, nobody asked you to come in to the conversation and start complaining about how annoying all vegans are. Or worse, posting about it out of nowhere. How is that productive?

How about people eat what they want and we can argue about the moral and environmental ramifications of those choices when we stop living in such interesting times.

To be clear, veganism is not THE issue. It's one of many leftists can't seem to stop arguing about long enough to make concrete changes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Vegans poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

But they didn't slaughter our livestock. Gotta give 'em that.

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