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Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.
Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.
What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.
Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?
Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.
You can't reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Oh fuck I didn't realize there was a magical third candidate with a prospect of winning
Yeah, it's those thoughts and prayers people keep sending in light of disaster. It's great, you get to claim the moral high ground while burying your head in the sand about the realities of the situation.
I hope you look forward to voting for Ted Cruz, the Democratic candidate for president in 2028. After all, he'll in theory be a little better than Trump running for his third term, so logically it's our duty to support Mr. Cruz for president. The only criteria any Democrat is allowed to use is whether the Democratic candidate is a tiny bit better than the Republican.
If you refuse to vote for President Cruz, you will be fully morally responsible for any of Trump's actions in his third term. After all, there's no magical third candidate with a prospect of winning.
This is the moral hazard of the "vote blue no matter who" crowd. If the Democratic base is already locked in no matter what, then there's no need for the party to work to actually reflect Democratic values. The people running the party only care about winning for the sake of winning. They don't actually believe in anything; they're just shameless power chasers. And if the Dem base will vote for literally anyone the Dems nominate, then Dems might as well just nominate Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney, or some other Republican. What better way to appeal to suburban Republican voters than by nominating an actual Republican?
The truth is that in order for the Democratic Party to actually mean anything, there have to be some people on the left side of the spectrum willing to walk away if the party moves too far to the right. If there's no consequence to drifting to the right, the party will just become a duplicate of the Republican Party. Eventually we'll just end up with an election between the KKK candidate and the skinhead candidate. That would literally be the outcome if every Democratic voter blindly "voted blue no matter who."
Obviously, there's the argument of voting to defend democracy. But the sad truth is that centrist dems have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually incapable of defending democracy. You can't run on something that you've proven yourself utterly incapable of doing. The party that appointed Merrick Garland could not credibly argue that they were going to vigorously defend democracy. Even now, their pathetic response to Trump's lawlessness shows that they are incapable of fighting for democracy.
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
Not even gonna try to pretend it isn't ethnic cleansing...
People can weasel themselves around terms like "fascist" quite easily, because there are multiple definitions, many are very diffuse and there's a lot of disagreement around it - but ethnic cleansing to my understanding is quite simple and this is it. Can any serious political commentator pretend it's not? For example the forced removal of Poles from west Poland (annexed by USSR) after WW2 for example was not a slaughter, but is considered an act of ethnic cleansing.
Member when people were saying Kamala would be worse than Trump for Palestinians, LOL! How's that vote/abstain working out now?
Remember when Democrats pleaded with Harris to differentiate herself from Biden and Trump on the issue and she refused?
They probably think it worked out great, since it was only ever an op by hostile elements to convince absolute fucking idiots to vote against their own interests.
People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let's turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s
Lmao. Enjoy Dearborn, Michigan. When he kicks you out, you can join them in limbo.
"But if the Dems ran a better candidate...."
"But Harris didn't even stop in Dearborn, so it's her fault not ours"
"Sure, everything Trump says is a lie, but at least he stopped here to lie to our faces. It's the dem's fault."
"One of Trump's first acts last time was a Muslim ban, but I can't be arsed to remember that far back"
"I had to vote for this otherwise the dems wouldn't learn anything"
"we just had to teach the DNC a lesson at the polls during that specific election!!!"
Biden: I just have to aid genocide during an election year when I’m up against an absolute fascist.
Edit: cope and deal with it
But if the Dems ran a better candidate…
This is completely valid criticism. Stop pretending it's not. The DNC is in the habit of specifically going out of their way to choose unpopular pundits, and that's not voters fault.
Voting for Trump, or not voting is their fault...
You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins. "Not Trump" was not a candidate.
If Trump gets 49% of the vote, Harris 48%, and "other" gets 3%, that's not counted as 51% against Trump and he loses. That's Trump winning with 49% of the vote.
Anyone who didn't vote (or didn't vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.
Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.
Two things can be true at once. Voters not voting is bad, and it's their fault. The DNC being incapable of finding pundits people want to vote for is also bad, and is also their fault. Pointing one out, has nothing to do with the other and both of these factors led to the election of Donald Trump not once, but TWICE.
Pointing out the DNC's responsibility to find electable candidates doesn't elevate the voters responsibility. But if the DNC were capable of finding pundits voters wanted to vote for no issue would exist. You wouldn't have people refusing to vote, or voting for Trump out of some fucked up sense of "haha, I'm gonna stick it to you!"
Pretending like this issue is solely at the fault of the voters is so fucking disingenuous, disgusting and partyist its insane.
"Democrats will ignore you if they can always count on your vote"
"Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil"
And idiotic absolutism is why we're in this mess.
Good job!
Edit: If you meant the /s on your comment, my bad. There's just so many insane takes going around, I kind of need that to differentiate.
I mean Jordan said recently that they'd consider pushing refugees across their border an act of war. Trump's "plan", if it can even be called that, doesn't include a realistic way to bring about all this. I think I represent a good number of Muslims when I way: Fuck him, but it ain't happening.
"I'M PROTEST VOTING. " - Dumb Bastards
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They're laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it's their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
The sheer audacity of treating sovereign territories like Monopoly properties reveals the bankruptcy of modern geopolitics. Trump's alleged "Gaza swap" proposal – offering Egypt debt relief for absorbing a war-torn enclave – reeks of casino diplomacy where human lives become bargaining chips. This isn't statecraft, it's a foreclosure auction on human dignity.
Egypt's immediate rejection proves even authoritarian regimes recognize some lines shouldn't be crossed. But the real tragedy lies in normalizing this billionaire's mentality that every crisis is a leveraged buyout opportunity. From the Abraham Accords to this Gaza garage sale, it's all about transactional trophy deals while ignoring root causes.
The Mediterranean doesn't need another real estate mogul playing Risk with refugee camps. This isn't solving conflict – it's outsourcing oppression through financial blackmail. The message is clear: human rights have become adjustable-rate mortgages in the hands of dealmakers.
Long story short, when people are hungry and broke and without a place to live, they become desperate, but then when you do something that really makes them angry. They stop being desperate and they start becoming violent. Not just people in the Middle East mind you I’m talking all people from British colonists to French students yelling about revolution all the way down to Germans, who survived the World War I only to see part of their country, giving away the treaty of Versailles. 
 Donald Trump‘s plan is just asking for further acts of terrorism against America and our interest overseas
I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt 
Aaaaand, why is the president of the US making plans for the people in a county he has no authority over again?
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn't vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump's Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term instead of being forced to flee repeatedly within the country.
Trying to equate the two is quite disingenuous.
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term
Just how gullible are you? When has any expulsion or relocation of Palestinians out of a territory ever been temporary? Biden isn't a complete moron. He would know as well as anyone that there is no such thing as a temporary relocation of Palestinians.
People don't follow news and ignore it then come back making statement that proven wrong and shove it in everyone face.
Reality every person who read history or watch news knows for fact that when it comes to Israel US position has been consistent.
Blaming Palestinians who said "fuck this party that want our vote and continue to kill our families" even though it has proven they reason Kamala lost is Economy.
Continuing this fake narrative outright racist at best.
Reminds me how they kept downvoting people who dispute the numbers of people killed in October 7 which, also proven to be around 800 at best and proven the Israel ordered their soldier to use the Hannibal directive of bombing vehicles regardless who is inside.
If you actually believe they would have been allowed back after, I have a Riviera to sell you.
Biden (and Trump's) proposed plan all line up pretty nicely with these leaked documents from the Israeli government. https://www.972mag.com/intelligence-ministry-gaza-population-transfer/
The document unequivocally and explicitly recommends transferring Palestinian civilians from Gaza as the desired outcome of the war
The transfer plan is divided into several stages. In the first stage, action must be taken so that the population of Gaza “evacuates south,” while the air strikes focus on the northern Gaza Strip
The document also says that the United States should be enlisted in the process to exert pressure on Egypt to absorb the Palestinian residents of Gaza, and that other European countries — particularly Greece and Spain — as well as Canada should help absorb and settle the Palestinian refugees.
The Intelligence Ministry document states that Egypt will have an “obligation under international law to allow the passage of the population,” and that the United States can contribute to the process by “exerting pressure on Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE to contribute to the initiative, either with resources or with the absorption of displaced persons.”
It's ironic that China seems to be the country supporting the Palestinians, I kinda feel we might be the baddies.
Not ironic it all.
The US condemns China for the treatment of the Uyghurs. US good, China bad.
China condemns the US for the treatment of the Palestinians. China good, US bad.
Both countries don't give a shit about either.
What's the end goal here, cause another 9/11 so he can declare martial law?
The real lesson of trump: you can get away with anything after you've conditioned your victims enough.
I read recently that all conservatism is is "I'm a good person and anyone who says otherwise deserved whatever I did to them."
Pretty sure this is how it all started in the 1930s.
Of course he does not. Every American president has always voted against Palestinian self-determination at the UN.
To the people blaming protest voters: Other voters are not your enemy. The two-party oligopoly is the enemy. The goal of zio nists and is rael was always to remove all the palestinians from the region - it is built into the purpose of the state. There is no evidence kamala would have done anything to stop this. She wouldnt have said lets take it over ourselves and make it into fucking casinos, but regardless, the overall plan of removing all the palestinians would have continued and the US would have continued to fund it.
So people have no right to their property, their owned real estate? Hmmm, lets try this in another failed state, the US.
The protest $hill Stein voters still gonna claim the righteous high ground while excoriating Biden/Harris/Democrats even though every last detail of this story was floated by Trump and pals during the election.
And the “Free Palestine” mass protests have all but stopped since Election Day, movement leaders (who exactly were they?) having achieved their goal of disenfranchising Democrats (but ZERO protests against the Republican Congress that approved funding for Israel).
The protests have not stopped.