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[–] [email protected] 215 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You know, for a free speech supporter, he sure seems to hate it when people speak freely.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

"Free speech absolutist"*

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

hes quite the selective speech supporter

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

He absolutely wants to support the speech he agrees with. The rest can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Only the cool kids know where to get FOSS.

somepusher

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

~~Their backend is closed source.~~

[EDIT: Incorrect, see below]

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server

On Wikipedia it says the servers are open source but spam prevention is proprietary.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for the correction. That's pretty rad. Now I'm wondering if that's a wrong memory or if it was released in the last few years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

There was a fuss a while back since the released source appeared to be waaaay out of date compared to what was being used.

They came out and said that they wanted the usernames feature to be developed fully before it got pushed public. Which they then did.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It's source-available

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They also block any content, even private messages that contain Bluesky for example.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Time to create redsky, yellowsky, and pinksky URL forwarders

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think we need laws against platforms censoring discussion of their rivals, particularly with shadow bans and shadow delistings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You wish. It's not gonna happen with these douchebags in power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That's the sad truth.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was waiting for such endorsement, maybe my friends will switch now.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Agree this reinforce that signal is good for now.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

It was never about free speech

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago

Very free speech absolutist of him.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Didn't Signal get big after Musk endorsed it? What gives?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but then last year he started saying it had known vulnerabilities that weren’t being fixed, around the same time Telegram was attacking Signal’s credibility. I seem to remember him outright endorsing Telegram but have only done a quick search and that hasn’t popped up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

saying there are unspecified "known vulnerabilities" within Signal

His source: Trust me bro

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Been using Signal for years. Love it.

Makes sense than an anti-free speech dipshit like Elon Musk would oppose it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It's not easy to leave WhatsApp. I've transitioned to Signal a month ago and lost contact with a lot of people. My friends and family think I'm going crazy for attitudes like these. "You can't change the world on your own".. like that was the plan 😅

Thanks Musk, that was the motivation I needed to keep away from WhatsApp.

Obviously not a X/Twitter user, I'm not a fkin idiot.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't change the world if you don't try at all. What a braindead take..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And they wouldn't be alone if their family came with them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Literally this

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

"You can check out any time you like... But you can never leeeave."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Leaving is never really an option. But running the two apps side by side still works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It varies, I guess. Some people might not be able to leave due to their job for example.

I left, it's an option for me. And I'm not coming back, I don't want to admit defeat.

I'm in an island now, it's annoying how these companies penetrated our lives.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Here are some workarounds:

  1. Don't use Xitter
  2. Use your phone number
  3. Use a URL shortener

He's not doing anything except getting more bad press for himself.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Free speech but no Signal? Red flag.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I've blocked Twitter on my Adguard Home DNS already last year, so no "X" shit in my house/our mobile devices anywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Supposedly they're unblocked again, but there's been no explanation from Xitter about the issue. Definitely seems suspicious that this happened while DOGE is having trouble with whistleblowers using Signal, though.

https://gizmodo.com/x-briefly-blocked-then-unblocked-signal-links-as-federal-workers-seek-security-2000564966

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@cyrano The "problem" (actually, the feature) with those censorship algorithms is that they rely a lot on the "exact contents" of the message ("Scunthorpe Problem"), so X is probably programmed to detect the Signal's domain and block due to the presence of such link (similar to how Facebook was/is blocking links to the largest PixelFed instances, and then they also decided to block links to DistroWatch and official websites from various Linux distros), so it's not programmed (yet) to censor just the "hexadecimal/base64/whatever" portion of the link alone. And there's where Tox could shine: a handle is literally a hexadecimal sequence, without Tox's domains, without URI Schemas, just a bunch of digits and letters from A to F.

I don't know why Tox isn't mentioned as a "instant messaging platform for whistleblowers": it got Onion (Tor) tunneling possibility (as well as tunneling it through I2P outproxies because it actually accepts any kind of SOCKS5 proxy), it's registration-less (even Matrix needs registration) so it's effectively anonymous IMO.

SimpleX seems to be that, too, although I didn't have the opportunity to use it more than I used Tox. But from the little I've used it, it's similar to Signal in the sense that it's a link (and a large link) and not simply a hash/hex sequence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Interesting, I did not know about that app https://tox.chat/index.html

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tox is nice. My favourite flavour is qTox.

The typical pattern over here: if someone uses Signal, you guess they're some military type (wants things to be secure, doesn't care much about anonymity, wants things to work one way and simply).

If someone uses Tox, you guess they're some hacker / anarchist type (wants things to be secure, but also anonymizable, wants things to be flexible, even if it can backfire).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Sounds like that censorship conservatives are all up in a row about... Oh not anymore fancy that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I would really like to know who is using 'X' now ? I mean apart from Musk and his bot army

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

So what’s the opinion here between Signal and SimpleX?

Signal gets all the attention, and seems more approachable but ties to a phone number which can be a big deal.

SimpleX ties to nothing but I could absolutely see people I know fucking it up and wondering where their “account” went.

So, Signal as an common man’s adoptable compromise and SimpleX to nerd out with full “opsec” and disposability? That about right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SimpleX sounds like herpes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

New certified Signal classic

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The best endorsement you could get for moving to Signal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Twitter should have been regulated as a common carrier and one rich asshole shouldn’t have been allowed to buy it, regardless of their politics

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