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This is a direct violation of rights under the US Constitution. If they can detain and send non citizens abroad with no due process then there is no functional block to them doing it to citizens. All the same reasoning applies because the US Constitution gives everyone in the US rights. The only thing protecting citizens right now is the lack of a law directing their deportation and the willingness of ICE to check documents.
Someone keep an eye on BASF here in Germany. I hope no packages leave the plant for panama....
Disgusting fucks.
I was curious, so I tried to find the article. Here is an excerpt from NPR that I found first:
Panama sends 97 U.S. deportees to migrant camp after they refused to be repatriated
PANAMA CITY — Panama transferred about one-third of the deportees from various nations it had received from the United States to a camp in its Darien province Wednesday, an area that became the main thoroughfare for migrants traveling from South America to the U.S. border in recent years, security officials said late Wednesday.
The migrants sent to Darien had refused to voluntarily be repatriated to their countries and will be held there until third countries can be found to take them, said a Panamanian official familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the US sent the deportees to Panama, and all of this is happening at their governments discretion. Obviously they are in this situation because of the US, which I am not happy about, but it doesn't seem to follow that the Trump regime is sending people to concentration camps based on this event.
Edit: Someone else linked the original article, which has more details.
Context, the deportees aren't even all from Central / South America. At least one mentioned was Iranian. So it seems the US is just sending people to Panama who didn't even necessarily originate from there, so that the US doesn't have to deal with them anymore. Seems disgusting.
Panama is accepting planes with random people because of US threats to its sovereignty (canal). While it could absorb 50 or so new Panamanian "tourists" who might well migrate north again, making it not Panama problem, it is sure that they expect to receive more under condition of "making them stay"
From the article (thanks @[email protected]) it's completely clear that:
a. This is just a temporary holding camp until the illegal migrants can be repatriated back to their original countries
b. This isn't even a US camp - it's a Panamanian camp - so if you want to be mad about the unconfirmed conditions of the camp, you should be mad at Panama
c. This is in no way a concentration camp, and divisive, intentionally inflammatory one-liners like this from talking heads on Twitter-likes continue to be the bane of public discourse.
Nothing is more permanent than temporary.
If they were motivated to do permanent well, they wouldn't have bothered with temporary.
Panama all but made it clear that they don't even want these migrants in the first place - why on earth would they then imprison them permanently on their soil at significant cost and potential political backlash now that they're out of the US's jurisdiction?
Like, it's obviously possible that's the case, but I can't see a reason to do so that makes any sense.
Do they have a choice? Are alternatives mired in bureaucracy? Can we JAQ all day?
I'm commenting on specifically on your point of being "just a temporary" camp somehow excusing poor conditions. If I only put my dick in your ass temporarily, does that not infringe on your dignity as a person?
Why is panama taking them in the first place if there was somewhere else for them to go?
The article doesn't address that, so I'd be speculating, but if I had to guess, I'd say either:
or, also quite likely given how much of a petty dick Trump is:
That's kind of tangential to the point I'm making. I'm trying to say that I don't think these people can be legitimately returned. Making them another state's problem is a way to make it out of sight, out of mind, and make it hard for people to protest. Last time, under Trump 1, there was a lot of (rightful) fuss about the detainment camps and how the Trump administration argued that they shouldn't be required to provide blankets, soap, and lights that turn off at night. No need to be too concerned with any of those details if it's happening half a world away, see?
I'm not sure what you mean by "legitimately returned"? Do you mean that Panama can't be sure of their place of origin?
I fully agree that the detainment camps that Trump inherited from Obama were inhumane, but in my opinion a lot of that was due to the unreasonably long amount of time people were forced to spend in them. Most of those conditions (obviously not refusing to provide soap, turn the lights off, etc. - that was just intentional cruelty) are reasonable for a few weeks or so, as a temporary stop-gap, but after months of detainment it definitely becomes inhumane.
We don't have any evidence that the Panamanian camps are doing any of those things though, or why Panama would want to treat them like that.
If anything, this seems like an improvement.
I mean that:
These kinds of operations always end up scooping up actual US citizens. That's what happens when you break a few eggs to make an omelette.
The countries of origin might either not be known (in the case of someone in the country since they were a small child) or might not recognize them as a citizen for a variety of reasons, including paperwork cock-ups.
The country of origin might refuse to repatriate the person, because you can't just dump a shitload of people on a poor country all at once and expect no consequences. It takes time to ramp up supply chains in response to demand. And before you say "Ah Ha! So you ARE against immigration!" No, immigration has largely been at a pace that the US could easily absorb, especially if we had sensible policies around how we build cities. If we actually do deport 11 million people in the first year, there's going to be consequences for that. You don't just take 11 million people worth of demand and economic production out of an economy virtually overnight and not have consequences. This whole thing is honestly like when a cartoon character sticks a shotgun in a hole and ends up blowing their own ass off. That's us right now.
As for the camps being an improvement, I'm sure it's more convenient for the Trump administration, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You should always, always have a healthy doubt of the government.
Hehe, permanently.
There's an easy way to reduce the number of prisoners and make it temporary once the camp becomes too expensive.
I'm pretty sure it's also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I'll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.
If the past 8 years aren't enough for you to see where things are headed, I'm guessing you are in the "it's not happening until it affects me personally" camp.
Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the "I'm not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it" camp, especially when they probably don't want these migrants anyway, and don't seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.
a. Temporarily concentrating a group of people together in a camp is still a concentration camp.
b. Then why are the US getting involved and sending their own undesirables there? At best, this is a bad thing Panama are doing, and the US said "hey cool we wanna remove people from society too but don't want to build our own concentration camps because that'd look bad, can we send them to yours pls?"
Temporary or not, this is not humane and should not be tolerated by either government. Everybody deserves a basic level of decency. Or would you like to stay in a cage, even if for a couple of weeks? It is dehumanising.
This is just a temporary holding camp
@[email protected] 3 months
That's fair. I guess we'll see. Just because the camp remains open doesn't mean that people aren't being repatriated in a timely manner though.
Wow you dodge the entire issue of the US Constitution and legal Asylum so well. I'd like to see you in a Dodgeball game.
cope and seethe. shove your concern trolling somewhere else
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Are you a mouthpiece for the Panamanian government? Are you in Panama inspecting these camps? Why are you so defensive for this administration?