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Summary

Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.

Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to "Russian aggression" and prefers calling it the "Ukraine conflict."

This shift follows Trump's peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine's President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a "dictator."

The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.

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[–] [email protected] 295 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.

The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world's economics as well, and that's clearly the long-term goal.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago

If I recall correctly, it's about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia's) financial system become the world standard...

It all comes down to money. It always does.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (5 children)

"The US" isnt doing anything. Trump and his scumbags are destroying everything.

[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

When Trump does something, the party that controls House, Senate and Supreme court follows his marching orders, the richest and most influential individuals act as his lieutenants, almost half of the country agree with it, and the other half doesn't resist or strike, then YES! THE US DOES THE THING!

The Nazis didn't have 100% popular support in Germany. They didn't have 50% active supporters. They had 10% party membership, even though non-members couldn't enter a career in many fields, were harassed by authorities, and lots of people were entered into the party automatically.
Still, it was NAZI GERMANY.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's an Arabic saying that roughly translated goes something like this: Sins are wide and good deeds are narrow. The meaning is that when a large part of a group of people is sinful, just not being implicated in sin doesn't protect you; you have to work to stop or you have no business trying to be excused from whatever punishment will come. In other words, you gotta work to stop the evil being done or you're well within the moral blast radius. So... That's what's going on here; with this framework more than 99% of America is guilty.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"The US" refers to the US government.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

You could say that the first time Trump was elected. Not anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 275 points 1 month ago (6 children)

American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.

[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 month ago

Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn't deserve your grace and goodwill when it's showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.

Fucking clown.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (1 children)

honest to god embargo us. saction us. you will do more to help our people by cutting donald trump at the knees than anything else you could do. we need help making his cult realize what they've done is bad and i think the only way that happens is if food gets expensive

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago

Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I've come to notice that the rest of the world is already beginning to leave us behind. The realization came with the TikTok ban. Soon as I heard that TikTok could be banned, I started looking for alternatives because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. I stumbled upon XHS by accident and about a month before everyone else. I was absolutely fucking blown away by China. It's unlike we've been told in almost all respects...

I really came to realize that other countries are leaving us in their dust and it's only a matter of time before we're not the Apex predator anymore, and frankly I can hardly blame them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My wife found XHS (aka RedNote) as well. I did not realize the extent of anti-China propaganda that I had inadvertently bought into, and like you, I was absolutely blown away.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

It's going to end up that way whether EU does something now or not. He'll just pick up his ball and leave like he's done every time so far.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse...

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Unfortunately it's likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can't really establish a basis of trust.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you're opening yourself up to more harm.

Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.

This isn't going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who're doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the 'G6' face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 month ago

This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (16 children)

It's almost as if he works for Putin

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Maybe he does.

Maybe Putin's colleagues found out something interesting about Trump back in the days, and made him an offer he could not refuse - "go and become King of America, we'll even help you a little, but you'll serve us".

Wild speculation, of course. But he definitely doesn't have national interest burdening his mind in any way or manner.

P.S. If I worked in the Secret Service, I would use my telescope to watch birds fly and tree leaves wobble. Even if there was a remote weapons station turning towards my client, or a wire guided object coming in - I would hardly notice until impact.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (3 children)

G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

2 NATO 2 FURIOUS

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe since it's mostly just the northeast Atlantic now, it should be NEATO.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (4 children)

But I couldn't vote for Harris because that was a vote for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Coming from a country with ranked voting and more than 2 parties, this looks so ridiculous. It's like the USA electoral system is designed to make people bicker amongst themselves about who is the lesser evil, while oligarchs take control.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In maybe the most important race of this country’s history, Harris couldn’t bring herself to denounce genocide and war crimes like a decent human being and instead chose to support a corrupt, fascist foreign nation that more closely resembles Nazi Germany than another country today.

Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.

The non-voters voted in Trump who is trying to be more fascist and corrupt than the other country you’re alluding to.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Yeah that was some really really stupid shit people were saying.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, most Americans do fall for things pretty easily when all they have to do is literally nothing

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he's not self interested. He is clearly under Putin's influence.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Blow it apart. America doesn't belong with its former Allies.

Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.

Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I'd love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Someone take that orange fuck out, please.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Biggest disappointment in the last year was that dufus missing his big fat head from only 150yds.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Russia Loving Republicans. Trump is a Russian asset. Treat the US government like an enemy.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?

Just doublechecking my premises, there's this from Investopedia:

The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world's largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis...

Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

They should kick him out when he shows up for that threat

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let Trump and Putin have a G1.5. Do it. Make him look like a Russian stooge.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

What do you mean "look like"?

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