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[–] Obelix@feddit.org 174 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

Just FYI:

Single-use plastic products are used once, or for a short period of time, before being thrown away. Under the EU’s rules on single-use plastics, the EU is tackling the 10 single-use plastic items most commonly found on Europe’s beaches and is promoting sustainable alternatives. The 10 items are

Cotton bud sticks 
Cutlery, plates, straws and stirrers 
Balloons and sticks for balloons 
Food containers 
Cups for beverages 
Beverage containers 
Cigarette butts 
Plastic bags 
Packets and wrappers 
Wet wipes and sanitary items 

https://commission.europa.eu/news/less-plastic-waste-means-cleaner-beaches-2024-08-14_en

So yeah, nets are bad, but straws, plastic bags, cigarettes and packages are also a problem.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People want to pretend just the things that are convenient to them are an issue. They say government and companies need to take action, then complain about actions taken. It's really wild to see.

[–] Azteh@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Not throwing my garbage in the wild makes me have no idea how often straws end up in the ocean, so it seemed like a wild thing to go after.

Any idea if it's people dumping all this stuff in the wild or if it's because we throw it out in our bins that it somehow gets to the ocean?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 weeks ago

a lot of single-use items come from fast food places, which people will eat in their cars and then just throw out the window as they drive along.

it's a fucking sad practice but it's really hard to get people to stop doing it, so the next best option is just to make sure as much as possible of the things you get from fast food joints will dissolve in a rain shower.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 17 points 3 weeks ago

Stuff falls out of garbage trucks, trash cans get tipped over, stuff gets blown out of the bed of a dumptruck at the landfill, landfills erode and take trash with them. Trashcans aren't just magic portals that take trash into the nightosphere

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's called environmental dumping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_dumping

First world countries ship waste to third world countries where dumping is not illegal (or at least not enforced).

You get stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVnMBGXVVUI

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

This is a list of end-consumer items put together by a government body beholden to fishing and other industries. And it’s not even about pollution levels, it’s specifically about beach pollution. Plastic lids on cartons of heavy cream are “also a problem” if we focus only on reducing plastic waste in the kitchen, but implying it’s even relevant compared to industrial plastic waste is disingenuous

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[–] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Single use plastic items laying on the beach is what bothers people the most, but this doesn't mean it is the biggest problems. There is much more plastic in the oceans that we do not see.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hmm. Perhaps the beaches shouldn't be the prioritized focus for developing alternatives to plastic.

If it's on the beach, it can be picked up. Today, tomorrow or eventually.

I think the plastic that can't be as easily be collected ought to be replaced by alternatives first.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If it's on the beach it's been washed up there. The stuff that's washing up can be collected, sure, but that represents a small percentage of the overall amount that there is.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 143 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 87 points 3 weeks ago

No, someone else is doing something worse than me so I'm absolved. I can do what I want.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I simultaneously want to comment that the left panels are a wild fantasy, as I've never seen an actual human say that we should focus on plastic straws. As far as I can tell, that's propaganda put into the world by companies trying to discredit genuine efforts.

But at the same time, it's not even like you have to focus on straws. You can simply not use them, because it is just a stupid concept to produce something that's immediately trash, and then also go and do other things in life. Believe it or not, most activities in life don't involve straws.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Straws become the focus because people like them and find them useful and make them a part of their culture and then proposed bans threaten to take them away. People do focus on them, I've seen plenty of online arguments about straw bans and the ethics of straws, which happens because they are a part of the lives of the people arguing about them, unlike fishing nets which they never use or see.

There is a side of environmentalism that comes off as being smugly superior about your lifestyle and disparaging and seeking to shame and control in small ways (usually poorer) people who don't live that way, with the pretext that it's about saving the planet. To me that sort of thing seems like it's mainly just a dumpster fire of political capital, purely counterproductive.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 99 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

Plastic Recycling is Largely A Myth.

The world produces an average of 430 million metric tons of plastic each year. The United States alone produces tens of millions of tons of plastic waste annually. Yet on average, only about 5 to 6 percent of plastic in the U.S. is recycled.

Basically, the vast majority of plastic either literally cannot be recycled, at all, or would be astoundingly expensive to properly seperate according to it's different types and run through the recycling process.

... So, in most cases, it isn't, and just ends up in a landfill or being directly dumped into nature.

Oil companies have known this for decades, and, as with other issues surrounding pollution ... they've promoted anything that makes an individual feel guilty when they know that even if all individuals followed the suggested course of action, it would have a negligible impact.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago

Oil companies have known this for decades,

fun fact: BP created the carbon footprint to turn the guilt onto the end consumers, and away from them.

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[–] HungryJerboa@lemmy.ca 78 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

But aside from donating to NGOs dedicated to cleaning up ocean litter, the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water. It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty, teaching them more sustainable fishing practices, and cracking down on littering, all things that require international cooperation.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 91 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty

Bruh. These aren't 1 dude in a boat with a long line. These are billion dollar corporations running fleets. And yes, we need international cooperation to bring them to heel. Like with farmers, however, make no mistake that the people doing this kind of pollution are at all ignorant or unaware of what they are doing.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Even the adrenaline junkies on Deadliest Catch are running multiple million dollar businesses

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water

Besides the obvious and 100% viable option of just not eating fish.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Now I feel better about my weird dietary preferences.

I'm doing my part!

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

The average person cannot make the connection between the food they eat and the animal it was. People act so appalled by the torturous conditions in animal farms, and then stop at McDonald's on their lunch break to pick up some chicken nuggets, totally unaware of the irony

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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Or organise a boycott on eating fish.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

You could go the rest of your life without eating another fish and you would be fine.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

On an unrelated notes, a huge fraction of oceanic microplastics is from car tyres. Driving is a number one source of oceanic microplastic.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 38 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Car tyres are also significant contributors to terrestial microplastics and particulate matter!

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And bad news: electric cars, being heavier, emit more microplastics.

[–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

tbf they are only heavier because they are making them SUVs instead of coupes or sedans and trying to convince people that a 150 mile range isnt long enough for them as if they wont just plug it back in when they get home or as if they actually commute 75 miles each way. God forbid they have to wait for it to charge. Electric vehicles have the potential to be the same weight or lighter but car companies all suck.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 47 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I am all for minimizing/eliminating single use plastics. But when i get served a milkshake in a plastic mug, with a plastic lid, and a plastic spoon, but a paper straw because of "save the sea"...

i just wish we used our brains more.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What if dispenser machines had a pay by volume model? You bring your own thing, they fill it, and charge you by how much you use. Would probably need something added to measure flow and set prices, but it's not like a McDonalds built in the 70s is still using exactly the same machines they were back then.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Could just do it by weight. Put vessel under nozzle. Zero scale, and hold till weight determined for sale, hand to customer. Could likely even have software do it.

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[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Gas pump style soda fountains would be absolutely hilarious. Truly the peak of american culture.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (36 children)

Just stop eating fish.

No need for nets.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

stop eating all animals tbh.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Checked the username, can confirm. Very annoying.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 25 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

If you call that one comment "very annoying" you need to get more used to reading opinions you don't agree with. That was the shortest, least preachy thing ever.

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[–] TapatioOnEverythin@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago

No, that would inconvenience me. I would prefer to virtue signal. /s

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[–] 21Cabbage 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But what if we pass the responsibility down to the consumer instead of dealing with industrial waste that's often more of a matter of cost than practicality?

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

to be fair that was a regulator decision. they seem to have went for the low hanging fruit of something relatively easy to replace without impacting the bottom line.

not gonna save the world by a long shot, but its a better than nothing sort of deal im surprised they even bothered with in the first place.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My conspiracy theory is it was chosen to deliberately harm the optics of environmentalists. Something with minimal useful impact and maximum inconvenience would turn people against the whole idea of environmentally friendly alternatives.

[–] syreus@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I see a lot of people who share your opinion. I used to work rehabbing sea turtles and EVERY turtle we received alive or dead had straws/bags in their gut. It might not seem super important but those products look more like jellyfish and turtles have poor eyesight.

The nets commercial fishing boats make the most plastic waste by a lot but declining a plastic straw and bringing your own bag to shop WILL save a life.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think it's also a product of the guy on the left likely has never used and will never use a fishing net. It's kind of like the tarrifs on Canada. America wasn't ever complaining that drugs were being trafficked over the the Canadian border but that is the reason they are giving for the tarrifs. The truth I see is one of the highest imports from Canada to the U.S. is Aluminum. Coke already stated if Aluminum costs go up, they will simply make more of their products in plastic bottles instead to keep their costs down. Those plastic bottles are made from petroleum which funds much of the GOP's campaigns. He is simply paying back oil executives by ensuring aluminum prices rise. Cokes profits stay the same, Oil companies profits go up. Where does the money come from? Working class Americans

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[–] rainerloeten@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Getting rid of plastic straws, but not cups and lids was such a stupid thing. There are substitutes for cups, but they cost more, so they weren't a good option for greenwashing.

If you're already minimizing seafood intake because of the lead content, you're already minimizing your personal impact of fishing net use. What we need to do is legislate the use of hemp nets. Hemp was the primary net maternal before the oil industry put their weight behind making hemp illegal under the guise of "The War On Drugs!" and made plastic/nylon nets the default.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago

That would be ideal, but each person has limited time and attention. Advocate for both, but put your efforts into figuring out how to change the thing with the larger impact.

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[–] Klnsfw 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16529-0

It's more like at the first place, with 26% of the mass. Majority doesn't mean "half of".

Nevertheless, even if the fishing industry produced no plastic pollution, it would still destroy the ecosystems directly and indirectly (breaking the food chains by fishing tons of krill and small fish to feed the farms)

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Majority literally means the subset making up more than half of the set.

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[–] alottachairs@beehaw.org 11 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe stop killing fish and fish will not die as much

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