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At [email protected] arguing against forced conscription is "propaganda" and "misinformation" (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

YDI, I live in Ukraine.

You are a tankie! And we both know you are lying about your alleged concern for human rights.

Let's hope one day you will be on the recieving end of russian genocidal imperialism.

The story of Donbas Cowboy, Russell Bentley also comes to mind for some reason:

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit. "

I'm not defending any authoritarian state or ruler. I'm pointing out the wrongdoings perpetrated by one.

And we both know you are lying about your alleged concern for human rights.

I'm not lying perhaps you are. There are credible source pointing out human rights are being violated starting with the rule that no male between 18-60 can leave the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxo0gBM6GM

Let’s hope one day you will be on the recieving end of russian genocidal imperialism.

I hope that one day you and your people will be free from the russian empire and from your current authoritarian government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are a tankie! Don't play dumb with me, look at the age of my account, I've been using Lemmy for a while.

You think you are the first tankie to come up with the "I just care about human rights" shpeel.

Everything about your style and tone points to malicious behaviour.

It's transparent that you're using mandatory conscription (which is legal in a state of emergency) as a hook to promote key russian propaganda narratives.

You're not fooling anyone!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm bringing up my argument and discussing it with people. Your behaviour of calling me out looks more scummy honestly

hook to promote key russian propaganda narratives.

It's actually defending the draft that is a key russian propaganda narrative because this invasion was made possible because russia has an army of conscripts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You should be aware that despite his claims, Skiluros is not from Ukraine, and more precisely, not from the region he claims to be from. Most likely, he has never been there, as he fails to recognize some basic local jokes (check our conversation in this thread). He's just a NAFO troll who pretends to be Ukrainian so that some unaware people will take his crap more seriously.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the warning. I don't think picking a fight with him is much useful, don't attack him personally for lying bur rather explain to him why lying is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

YDI

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

YDI.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How so?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're posts weren't removed because you're against forced conscription.

They were removed because you spread Russian propaganda and misnformation. Just like the mod said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Russia propaganda persuade people that the draft is good and to join the army. Arguing against forced conscription and human rights violations does not benefit authoritarian dictatorships like russia or any other. You are wrongly labeling this as propaganda simply because i'm pointing out the finger at the side you like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

YDI for being a useful idiot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

explain how this is idiotic

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"useful idiot" is the term the Soviets had for people like you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Defending forced conscription and praising authoritarian leaders is being a useful idiot for the russia government because that's what they want to hear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

YDI. The first sentence of every comment is literal Russian propaganda. Clutching your pearls at forced conscription during an ongoing invasion speaks to a level of privilege I rarely see, even online. Zelenski is touring "the royal courts," because he's prostrating himself to beg for money, weapons and aid for his country. Wars aren't free, especially when you're up against a global power.

You're playing loose with the facts, and nobody is buying it.

Or would you rather they roll over and go, "Sorry, we're all outta gas. Russia just has more bodies to throw at us"? Become part of Russia? Good thing you weren't in charge of the country, or you would have run up the white flag years ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

YDI. The first sentence of every comment is literal Russian propaganda.

Russia is a country plagued with corrupted authorities and where the draft is mandatory, calling these things out goes against russia government interests too. Remember also that russia started this war, they don't want peace, they are fine with war or they would pull back.

Clutching your pearls at forced conscription during an ongoing invasion speaks to a level of privilege I rarely see, even online

Human rights shouldn't be abolish under any circumstance, there's no scenario under which slavery is tolerated. A government should never draft people by force and neither should arrest them if they want to leave the country.

Zelenski is touring “the royal courts,” because he’s prostrating himself to beg for money, weapons and aid for his country. Wars aren’t free, especially when you’re up against a global power.

Some of the countries he visit literally have royal palaces like Abu Dhabi. He's not prostrating, he's been invited by world leaders and having discussion with them to get more founds to his country and his government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Human rights shouldn't be abolish under any circumstance, there's no scenario under which slavery is tolerated. A government should never draft people by force and neither should arrest them if they want to leave the country.

Your intentions are good... but very naive. Majority of people do not want to go to the front lines and die or watch their friends die. So most are going to flee if they have the opportunity, and thus the country will fall right into the hands of an agessor who cares nothing about these 'human rights'. It is indeed unfortunate the circumstances has forced the Ukrainian government to rely on conscription to maintain its sovereignity. What exactly would you do about such a predicament?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Russia is a country plagued with corrupted authorities and where the draft is mandatory, calling these things out goes against russia government interests too.

Not when your justification is their propaganda. You're just spreading their disinformation in ignorance, rather than malice. The effect is the same, regardless.

Human rights shouldn't be abolish under any circumstance, there's no scenario under which slavery is tolerated.

Human rights are not objective facts of reality. They're a social contrivance. Furthermore, conscription is not slavery, and virtually every country with a military has a draft available. I'm thankful that my country, the US, has not needed to use it in decades, but it is still there, and there are real punishments for trying to dodge it (unless you're rich).

Some of the countries he visit literally have royal palaces like Abu Dhabi.

So what? He doesn't get to choose the venues; that's just where they are. You think he can effectively beg for money over Zoom while in a bunker?

War isn't fair, and drafts supercede some of people's rights. You can feel whatever you're going to feel about it, but the reality is that we wouldn't need drafts if there weren't any authoritarians with delusions of grandeur.

But there are, and so even well-militarized countries with lots of volunteers still have drafts for times of emergency.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You’re just spreading their disinformation

Can you point out the disinformation? Mostly of what i'm saying is that the ukranian government is drafting people by force and not allowing men 18-60 to leave the country with the result that people trying to cross the border are getting arrested and some died trying. As a result i'm pointing out ukrainian government ceo to be an authoritarian ruler rather than a hero that should deserve monuments.

and virtually every country with a military has a draft available.

Most countries are police states rooted in violence. US and any other should have no draft, it is not normal or good just because it's there.

So what? He doesn’t get to choose the venues; that’s just where they are.

I'm just highlighting that meeting the world most powerful rulers in their headquarters is not the same as rooting in a trench.

but the reality is that we wouldn’t need drafts if there weren’t any authoritarians with delusions of grandeur.

Indeed if it wasn't for deluded maniacs with power ambitions we wouldn't have the draft, that's why i'm calling them out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you point out the disinformation?

I did. Read my first comment. I specified where the disinformation is, and you would be wise to heed that these are almost verbatim Russian propaganda talking points they use to justify why they should just be allowed to take Ukraine.

Whether you think it's fair for the draft to exist is irrelevant when you're staring down the barrel of an invading country. They're coming, and the draft exists to ensure the country does as well. I am sorry for them that people are trying to escape the draft, but again: war is not fair.

If the draft didn't exist, the end result would be might makes right. The countries who didn't have enough volunteers would lose, and the country with the bigger stick would always be the victor. Human lives would be spared, sure, but at what cost? Living as a conquered people is not defacto better just because you're alive. One need only look at history to see that fact.

I'm just highlighting that meeting the world most powerful rulers in their headquarters is not the same as rooting in a trench.

Nobody said it was. But that doesn't mean he's never been in the trenches or that what he's doing isn't still vital. War isn't fair.

Indeed if it wasn't for deluded maniacs with power ambitions we wouldn't have the draft, that's why i'm calling them out.

Since you said "them," I'm going to assume you're including Zelenski. The draft isn't a grab for power. It's not some method of controlling the population. It's a last resort method of survival, and last resorts of any kind usually come with heavy costs, or else they would be first resorts.

So you're not "calling anyone out" or saying anything particularly novel or relevant to human rights when "rights" are a privilege you get from a society that is not at war. War is not fair.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I did. Read my first comment.

I already replied to your first comment and the others. I'm not posting any disinformation, just because you don't like it or the russian are saying it doesn't imply that what i'm saying is false or wrong.

and the draft exists to ensure the country does as well.

A country does not exist because of forced conscription. People can defend themself even without authoritarian leaders drafting them by force. Your claim is that ukraine still exist only because they drafted people against their will, you are basically implying ukraine people are cowards and should be forced to fight.

If the draft didn’t exist, the end result would be might makes right. The countries who didn’t have enough volunteers would lose, and the country with the bigger stick would always be the victor. Human lives would be spared, sure, but at what cost? Living as a conquered people is not defacto better just because you’re alive. One need only look at history to see that fact.

You talk like a villain, wars are fought by real people who die in the most miserable way. I encourage you to watch the combat footage out of this war to look at what is happening.