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I don't really like discord, but my gaming group have been using it for rpg stuff. Chat channels, video calls and easy to setup bots have all been really useful.

But I get the feeling the enshitification is going to get worse, so I was looking for somewhere else to migrate to. The video stuff isn't as important, we could switch easily to other services. But before I start a new campaign, and spend time setting up bots with routines for rolling dice and calculating tables, I'd like to do it somewhere that isn't in talks for an IPO.

I'm not really up on stuff like this, so I don't know if there's some obvious similar choices or an alternative medium that I haven't considered.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Since you mention stuff like "the video isn't important", "other services" (plural), I'd consider not just one alternative but several. The big problem with big name social media is that they provide a all-in-one experience that is designed for profit, and as such looks and acts worse than any of its independent parts (not to mention, the sum is artificially made more addictive to users).

  • For publishing campaign materials itself, all you need is a filehost or filebin - something like pastebin.com but that allows you to upload and organize any kind of files. Any of the offerings in the FOSS market will do, but if you are going to focus on posting quickie (rich¡) text documents that are easy to build and parse I'd suggest a Markdown-based document bin like Hedgedoc.
  • If your campaign is gonna run like a chat, XMPP / Jabber. There's servers like Prosody or ejabberd that are easy to set up.
  • If your campaign is gonna run in web "play by post" mode, any modern web forum system will do, for example Discourse. Heck, even oldie-style web forums might do, like phpBB.
  • Voice: Jabber has access to audio IIRC. I've also heard very good things about Mumble.
[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There's Revolt, if you're happy being on an empty platform that none of your friends will ever move to.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Hah, that's fine, because it would be for our group activity they'd be fine with making accounts. I never used discord to chat with people outside my small group of irl friends.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Never say never, once Discord goes IPO and the enshittification goes bad enough to annoy gamers Discord is fucked, and Revolt is a drop-in replacement, the fact that it can be self-hosted will also be a plus for some people, mass migrations are rare but they DO happen

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why this over matrix which has similar features, actual users, and is federated?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Revolt has better feature parity with discord.

If all you're looking to do is replace discord with a friend-group who is already on board, it's ideal.

For gaming-related use cases, matrix isn't there yet. It doesn't noise gate voice calls, or support audio chat rooms, just to mention a few things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Revolt doesn't have audio chat in any form, or has that changed recently?

While I believe you can at least make voice rooms with element/matrix

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It definitely does.

Matrix does not have audio rooms. You can start a group video call in a text group chat, in some clients.

It currently does not compare well with discord functionality.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remind me... is that the same UK that currently tries to force apple and google to include governement backdoors into their encryption?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Its open source and you could selfhost a server.

No need to use UK webspace.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Matrix. But if you want something that looks and feels exactly like Discord, there is Revolt. It's FOSS.

https://revolt.chat/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If only revolt added federation. Then I'd be behind it 100%

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In the FAQ, they state that federation is not in their roadmap, but if someone can do it, then they are willing to merge it. Since Revolt is written in Rust, we can use Lemmy devs' activitypub federation crate. I might take a look at it someday.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've even thought about it, but I don't know rust and right now just don't have the time, but it seems like it'd be fairly simple. Matrix and revolt have a lot in common, it's just translating between the two

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no like I meant using ActivityPub to federate between different Revolt instances or even other future software that might be an alternative to Discord and is federated using ActivityPub.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Oh, yeah no activitypub isn't meant for private messaging. It's great for things like mastodon and lemmy, but there is zero privacy, it's meant to blast out to anyone who wants to listen. Messaging the best standards right now are Matrix and XMPP.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wrote a somewhat lengthy "Introduction to Matrix/Element" comment for someone here recently. If you arent paranoid, then you can ignore the sections about not using and removing the web client session after account creation. Let me know if you have any trouble.

The comment in question: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/16768943

To use element like discord (with servers and voice channels) you will create a Space(=discord-server) and then add Rooms(=discord-channels) to it.

Normal rooms are usually text only but you can still start a video call (doesnt have video on by default) inside one which all room members will get notified for.

To get something like voice channels you create a "video room" which people can then join and it acts like a voice channel that also has screen sharing and video functionality.

There is full permission management so you can give everyone in the space access to all rooms or use levels like guest/member/moderator/admin/owner etc or you make it invite only. Lots of options.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jabber, a.k.a. XMPP. It's decentralized, featureful, standardized, and low on server resources.

Here's a user's guide I wrote.

https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never felt a desire to move off old-school IRC.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Funny enough, Skype is dead now, just like ICQ, MSN, and many others. But IRC is still alive. Decentralized protocols <3

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it’s only alive as long as you don’t close your client.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

The community had solved this problem decades ago. Of course, bouncers, relays, and other solutions are not for everyone. But there are also modern web clients like https://thelounge.chat/ that always stay online. You can use them pretty much like discord for text chats.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Too soon, add 500 years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Matrix? I think you can setup text channels and also do voice/video/screen sharing in the channels as well if you’re using element, though I havn’t been able to convince my friends to jump ship yet, so don’t know how it compares to discord

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

First i hear of this one, interesting, how far along is it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Not even close to being a replacement currently. I'm hoping it gets there though

https://docs.spacebar.chat/faq/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure tbh

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Internet Relay Chat

a technology handed down to use from the ancients.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

OP literally mentions video calls for RPG stuff, and although I haven't used irc in a hot minute, I'm pretty sure it's not relevant for them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think Element/Matrix could do the trick

At least that's what I intend to do with some friends for our gaming sessions and daily mindless chat

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know, I'm gonna be the oddball suggestion here.

Forums. What forums? I don't know, the last time I used them was proboards back in 2010 so I'm sure I'm out of the loop on the options, but I do miss forums sometimes. That was where I ran RPGs, back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We are considering a seperate play by post game using some of the forums and sites set up for that. But having a voice and video chat with friends, with easy options for adding dice and game management bots is appealing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I hear you. And even if you post at lightning speed, there's something about forums that just feels slower compared to the speed posting in a chatroom can get you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you want a different level of shitty platform, You could just move to a VTT like Roll20.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, our friend group still uses IRC. Go back to the roots, discord is merely a fancy IRC anyway. Quakenet is still up and running, working as smoothly as ever! (So at least one netsplit* a day... :D)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

During the pandemic, discord has been a lifeline for me and I did not find alternatives that had a specific feature that may appear irrelevant but that I found deeply comforting: When people are hanging out in a vocal channel, you can see them. It was not much, but it was the closest we had to going to university and seeing groups of friends just chilling together.

There are many other platforms for text and vocal chats, but this is a feature I am still looking for.

Prove me wrong !

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's good about zulip? It's not one I'm familiar with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago
  • Open Source.
  • IRC Integration
  • self-hosted
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