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[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Outlook (new) (a webversion in a wrapper, so it only has half of the functions, but they force you to use it while planning to deprecate the proper version)

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But it comes with new features too, like an ad at the top of your message list every time you open it! We should consider ourselves lucky that they're giving this to us for free!

/s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The moment they made me jump through hoops to use the old mail app instead of using the one with ads is the moment I switched to thunderbird.

I plan to switch to Linux but I am very busy right now and installing a new OS onto my PC isn't something I can do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Take your time. The penguins will be there for you, when you're ready.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except the Windows version of Outlook (New) doesn't work with all of their data centers - but the web version and Mac version do - because they didn't fully write out the authentication framework for high security tenants so you're forced to use Outlook (Classic) until they "eventually" update it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, bring back waterfall development cycles...

They we awful and failed a lot, by at least we didn't have zombie failures being used!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Deploying incrementally doesn't need to mean releasing incrementally.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

That's a great point , but even the degenerates in the windows and office teams make an absolute mess of things and tend to prioritize BS cosmetic changes over actual improvements as a result

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Hey, that's a Google move!

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • Outlook (newest)
  • Outlook (even newester)
  • Outlook (okay, for real, actually the last one, we promise)
  • Outlook (okay, just one more, this time we fixed all the bugs)
  • Outlook (okay, so turns out a few people decided to take the last versions name as a challenge and they kinda a little bit deleted our production server, but we plugged that hole, so should be fine now)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Outlook_New_Final_FINAL_2025_FINALREAL (1) (1).rtf

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Outlook (latest newest newer new final definitive edition v2.0)

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What about the inevitable (based on years of development experience):
Outlook (new) New - Final - 2025-04-17 - THIS IS THE ONE.lnk

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My team at work is always confused when I ask if they're using Outlook or New Outlook (new) New

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did you say Teams at work? Did you mean New Teams or Classic Teams? Did you want to swich back to Old Teams or stick with Current Teams? Or did you mean the Teams feature within Teams?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Think that pisses me off the most is how you can't uninstall it. First of all, I don't even really need a mail app on my computer. If I do, I'll install one I actually want to use.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Look I hate windows too but every app featured here can be uninstalled. The real shame is you can't add a signature to meeting invites correctly unless you copy/paste won't manually, focused inbox, you can't move a message to a different folder from the message view pop up, as far as I know the add-on center is gone and so is the VBA scripting, its just garbage and Outlook Classic (hey MS look thats how you rename shit) was actually decent. Thunderbird is superior to both tho.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why do we still associate these changes with Gates?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Marketing gives you more fame than inventing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I think you can attribute that to the people MS bought DOS from. Don't ask me their names, because...

[–] radiohead37 20 points 2 months ago

The newer it gets the less functionality it has.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The basic Mail app in Windows 10 is still the baseline I compare every other email client to, and I've yet to find anything I like as much. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, it only ever ran under Windows, and for stupid reasons, it was deprecated and now if you try to launch it, it exits and launches Outlook (New), which is a horrible email client.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Outlook (new) is not even a "mail client" at all. It's an Edge "webview" web app. Adding an account to this "app" actually allows outlook.com the website to sync your entire mailbox, read its contents, and "share" all of that data with their (last checked, could have changed since) 798 "data partners".

Install Thunderbird.

Before someone says "it's not pretty enough, I don't like it", if the price for privacy is a shiny theme, I've got nothing dumb enough to say to you. You're beyond helping and you're not worth my time.

Edit ^ that last bit wasn't about you, person I responded to, just realized it sounded like it was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

My 86 year old father-in-law has had the roughest time with the new outlook. It keeps losing his settings. I kept him on the (old) outlook as long as possible.

I tried Thunderbird for him, but some parts of the UI don’t respect extremely large fonts. Sigh.

My current solution is just straight up web mail to his provider which has other problems, but I have sorta-kinda mitigated them by installing a separate browser that is set to open that website. This has some other small problems, but it will have to do for now.

I honestly wish Apple made a 20” iPad.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The message viewing component is, of course. Emails are html. The application itself is not a web app.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

FFS Microsoft, just put out a functional OS. I even really liked the Windows 11 Beta/RC, but what it became once commercialized got me to switch to Fedora on my main PC and swear off getting another Surface.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

IBM has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a help desk worker this shit is so fucking annoying.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Oof hell desk, yea I left that behind as fast as I could. It was nice and all being chill not worrying about budgets, policies, "IT business alignment" and such

But god damn if I had to deal with Beatrice's weekly hour+ password reset call one more time I was going to lose it lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Meh, I'm gonna wait for Outlook Mail (new)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Outlook Mail Final (v2) (new) (work)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Old is called classic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My Outlook still has the yellow icon. Changed it back manually because I kept opening Outlook by mistake when I tried to open Word.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

2meirl4meirl:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

On windows the only decent mail client is Thunderbird.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity

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