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[-] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

I live in this. I pay 500€ rent, in one of Europe's most densely populated areas. I commute to work by bicycle, and I can take walks into the forest with my cats till we get too close to the Alpaka Farm, cause they're afraid of the alpakas.
Unfortunately, we're getting thrown out this year, and looking at 3x the rent for something worse which is further away.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

It’s so rare you can have cats who will walk with you. I used to have one like that.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Where in Europe's densest areas can you rent anything for 500€?

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nowhere if the stars don't align.
I live in Heidelberg, Germany.
This house is worth 3-4x more.
But my landlady is a little special. She lives in a hippie commune in another country, is fighting with depression and simply didn't want to deal with the house at all.
So that was the deal, we could live there for cheap, I fix stuff myself and never bother her with anything.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Unfortunately you cant, that's why they are getting thrown out and looking at paying 1500€ soon

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Everybody wants that edge of city and country feel. It makes them feel like they don't live in the city but they still have all the amenities a city offers close by. And thus the Suburban experiment was born and has ultimately destroyed north american cities and created an affordability crisis for housing.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

well you can't blame it all on "living on the edge of a city". IMO HOAs have done a substantial part of the harm, creating the sterile and hostile-to-teenage-life experience, and then there's zoning laws which make it impossible to get communal activity, like a small bar or club right between the houses, and then there's the lack of public transport ...

[-] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago

I have dreamed of this lifestyle for over 20 years, and just moved here a few months ago.

Septic is installed, we live in an RV. Just got this land leveled and ready to move the RV into place next to the storage containers we have. Right across the driveway will be a large garden area, but right now we only have a compost pile so far.

A neighbor said they will help us with chickens, so we only need some fence and feed. Things move slowly, but we are excited to jump into this lifestyle. Fresh air and beautiful views.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Currently getting water from a purification machine at the store, it’s expensive but we use very little right now. (42 cents per gallon)

We just got a 2,500 gallon tank, after I finish the plumbing I plan to order water delivery, should be about $200 to fill the tank. (Less than 1 cent per gallon)

After that I’m making a roof and collecting rain water. (Free water)

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

If you don't mind me asking. Where are you located that you are able to do this?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Arizona has several counties that are not as strict and allow a lot of alternative living options.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

how far away does the water delivery come from?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I think it’s a local company, Met them at a local event for the alternative buildings and living off grid. We also met a lot of YouTubers there, it was super chill.

When I call them, I want to ask if it’s from a well, is it drinkable, etc. I do have filters and the UV light for water that I will add eventually.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I run a few online businesses (streaming, YouTube, eBay), but had to put all that on hold as we were moving and getting settled here. Just about out of our savings, but we are very close to starting the business back up. I think maybe 1-2 weeks.

There is always set backs working here off grid, example is yesterday I was cleaning land to move the RV and the track came off the excavator. It looks like a simple fix on YouTube but it’s raining now lol

[-] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

small bungalow

proceeds to list a 5 rooms house

EDIT: ok, apparently i do not know what a bungalow is. Their size ranges from less than 70 square meters up to 130, my mental image was of a large wooden tent of ~40 square meters

[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Just a small bungalow with its own private gym.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you've got two bedrooms and only need one then having a gym in the other one isn't a luxury. Hell, it's less of a luxury than using it as a spare bedroom that is useless except for storage and getting visitors a few times a year.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Usually it’s the other way around.

“This spacious 400sqft condo features scenic fire escapes and running water..”

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Which is a small bungalow...

Ours is 850 sq ft and we've got 3 bedrooms, so if we removed one we would be at 750 sq ft and rearrange the divisions and it could be smaller.

Post war housing built by the Canadian government was 600 to 800 sq ft bungalows with two or three bedrooms, 70s bungalows around here are 850 to 1150 sq ft with three or four bedrooms...

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

It's basically a two bedroom bungalow, that's not that crazy to imagine is it?

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Lottery winner or parents' home?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Or just not living in the regions where it's super expensive to buy a house... We just moved out of a small city with all services (hospital, groceries, sewers, water, cultural events...) and a house like OP is describing would have been super cheap, hell in a village 10 minutes away there was a project to complete that would have cost about 150k total (purchase + finishing the project) and that was a two floors house with a half acre lot...

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

OP actually has an affordable reality here. Its cities that are expensive, not rural areas and small houses. It depends on the location, but this is usually the case. The further away from urban centers you are, the less expensive it gets to buy. From my experience, a small city apartment costs the same as a spacious house with land outside of the city. There's drawbacks to both, pick your poison.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Its cities that are expensive

Cities have public transport which are much less expensive per capita than maintaining individually owned automobiles and the associated asphalt road networks. Additionally, electrical, water, and communication infrastructure are orders of magnitude less costly with higher density housing simply due to lower distances between service points; this is why federal grants are often required to pay for infrastructure like rural broadband: suburbs and rural towns are not cost effective to develop to the same degree as cities.

Ultimately, I imagine most people who say cities are expensive say so because they their personal comfort zone is measured in acres, not square feet.

Living in a city requires daily communication and coöperation with your neighbors; you can't burn your trash, roll coal, park your half dozen clunkers nearby, litter your surroundings with pet droppings, or blast your music out your windows without risking getting lawsuits filed and your checking account emptied in retribution.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Bought 5 acres (with 1.5 of those acres flat on a hill) about ~20 min outside a medium city, ~1 hour equidistant from 2 very large cities. Geotechnical engineers have been to the property, report submitted to the county (took months). Sewage engineers have been out to the property and approved the drain field (took weeks). Well will be drilled once the county approves the build site. It's slow going but it will be worth it in the end! My only fear is trump cancelling the rural broadband fund as I am slated to get the fiber cable run to my property line within a year. Staying with starlink for longer will not be awesome, but oh well, sacrifice.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

What counts as a big garden, I would like bigger but my bungalow is on a 150m² total property area, 60m² of that is the indoor area. Spent quite a bit to have the concrete paved across the entire garden removed and I did all the labour myself with a sledgehammer. IIRC it was 8m³ of that crap.

Now mine is the only house on the street that you can see real bees at. My "lawn is untidy"? Fuck off, that is a meadow and it is glorious! As I am British there is no HOA for you to cry to. I am free to make the bees happy.

Unless it gets to the point I am blocking out the sun to the houses nearby there is fuck all anyone can do about my garden.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Raising a toast to you and your bee friends

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I love it! Bonus points if it turns to a bog in the winter, so I can collect potion ingredients.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

One thing is missing. Family... A loving partner, maybe some years pass and some children...

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Anon accidently envisions a solarpunk-esque lifestyle

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

So I'm longer in the tooth now nearing 50. Got 3 kids. My intention when my kids finish high school is to go back to the small towns from whence I came. City living is so goddamn expensive now. I can buy 50 acres for slightly more than what I pay for a 30*150 lot with a semi-detached home.

I'm gonna Christopher Robin my life when I nope out of IT and with luck build houses for my kids and build a homestead.

This is the way folks. Protect you and yours the best you can.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Do it now. Land doesn't go down in price unfortunately.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I would if it were not for the complexity of child support I don't want to do my ex dirty like that. I'm ready to shift careers but that will mean a major pay cut

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Unrelated, but:

from whence

Did you know “whence” means “from where,” so it’s not really necessary to say “from whence?” It’s not a mistake, exactly, because “from whence” has been around forever and is considered acceptable usage. “Whence” without the “from” seems, though, to be more correct in a sense, and has certainly been more common for a long time.

Decent discussion with interesting links: https://english.stackexchange.com/q/10906

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Anon about to find out economies of scale. That garden isn't enough to feed him year-round.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Anon wasn't trying to live off the land, just to have a hobby

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Knowing 4chan, this smelled like a trad fantasy.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

"Large garden, because I love plants" equates to "I want to grow enough to feed myself" in your mind? Bit of a stretch there.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I want a house with a walled courtyard/atrium between the house and garage. I also want an underground space like a hobbit hole crossed with a bomb shelter.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I want either a Swiss Family Robinson style treehouse or a spaceship.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I'll get the house, you the spaceship and we swap every other year or so?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nah I'll take the city thanks. I would like a functional bus service and be able to walk places.

Also bathroom, kitchen and livingroom possibly together, bedroom, and maybe. Maybe! An office.

Man that was a good year before the rent increase and subsequent eviction.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Is Anon dreaming of dacha? Because it sounds same.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Its basically what I have except that I have rented the other room to a friend of mine.

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