We don't need AI rubbish for this, someone already made this one:
this post was submitted on 02 May 2025
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Fighting the war class? No, I would better derive all my strength into a useless fight against a technology (which was also made and used by workers, artist are not the only workers in this world). Fighting my own comrades if necessary to accomplish the Butlerian Yihad.
That's how the left space feels nowadays. We better rebrand socialism to antiAIsm because there's not much else left on the movement these days.
I mean, why does it have to be one thing we are trying to not support? People in leftist spaces are trying to root out AI because of its myriad global problems and the way that the industry is akin to a new type of destructive bomb in the class war. Consolidating more wealth and power into the hands of the same technocrat few, poisoning the earth, destroying the livelihood of artists (and entire companies and divisions of workers across multiple industries because bosses are seeing dollar signs), stealing from the many and giving to the few in terms of creativity, it’s set to benefit the VCs…what is there to like about it?
You’re seeing a lot of talk about it because so many people thoughtlessly bought in when the more moral action would be to abstain from using it and insist on spaces that don’t welcome it. It’s not really that we are shifting energy away from more important things. It’s just that people will always say “hey, can we not use this here?” And you’re acting like we’re letting starving orphans starve so we can fight AI.
There’s nothing immoral about AI, and it doesn’t steal from anything. Ideas can’t be owned, and copyright and intellectual property are capitalist nonsense. If you don’t want to share an idea, don’t bring it into the world. Because once you do, it collectively belongs to the human condition.
This is a discussion for governance. It does nobody any good to allow anti ai warriors to start brigading every post containing so called "ai slop". It's just a new pointless diversion for keyboard warriors to fight over, accomplishing nothing in the process but derailing any meaningful discussion on the content of the OP. There are other ways to fight back against corporate power, such as making access to genAI technology free and open source, like db0s ai horde project.
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Oops, I guess I was a little too spicy. I agree, we don’t need AI, and using the tools of billionaires instead of real art by human artists is at best misguided and at worst actively harming the people you purportedly want to help.
I don’t blame people for reposting it when they don’t realize it’s AI, it can be hard to tell.
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We're friendly to AI art on this instance. If you don't like that, the door is over there.
You can be friendly to it, but that doesn't mean you need to like everything. People are friendly to traditional art, doesn't mean they have to like every single piece of traditional art. People can be into food, but they don't need to like every single cuisine.
Surely you wouldn't take the position every single thing on here needs to be GenAI? So in the middle is where we find ourselves.
So be discerning, you owe yourself that at least.
Back to the topic:
This piece is just a bit rubbish and kinda unmemorable. The one I linked did a better job of conveying the same message in a more memorable way IMO, and it seems that opinion is shared by other users of your instance.
There's s small handful of folks who dogmatically hate-post about anything genAI. But the vast majority couldn't care less. This is in fact a relatively popular post for this community at 106 downvotes and 519 upvotes, and that's including all the anti-genAI downvote bots, and all the neoliberals. So remind me why ~1/6 of users should dictate to everyone else what the community allows?
And tbh we are never gonna become anti anti-genAI instance. Fuck copyrights and the horse they rode in on (capitalism). You anti-genAI trolls are becoming annoying enough we might need to add a rule about it.
we might need to add a rule about it.
You should, if you're going to remove comments you don't like and break no rules.
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Given my comment got half the upvotes of the post, I could make the argument that half of the people in here agree with me saying it was a bit rubbish.
Like be honest, do you genuinely think the original post is actually more memorable and effective* at conveying the message than the Murdoch one? If you do, that's fine I guess, art is subjective, but you don't get to insist everyone else has to love it.
*This is a lefty memes community remember, that's the important thing
Given my comment got half the upvotes of the post, I could make the argument that half of the people in here agree with me saying it was a bit rubbish.
Not how math works i'm afraid. At most that would be 25%, and a bunch of them probably just like the other meme.
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so you're saying you're friendly towards some AI art, right?
Yeah if it's actually got artistic merit or is actually interesting in some way sure, life isn't black & white, so I won't be either. Cards on the table, I've got some issues with how some of the big models have been trained and deployed, but no real issue with the technology itself.
The AI art will be at most as good as the effort going into it, and honestly it's pretty clear that 90% of the stuff you see posted around at the moment barely had 30 mins spent on the idea.
I can guarantee I'm not gonna like much of any traditional art where it's clearly low effort and derivative either. The best art does something new and interesting
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50501 is not an org to be trusted. It’s an arm of the establishment trying to brand itself as an activist group, and there’s tons of problematic reports coming out from their behavior already.
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Eh that's all on the mirror comm it's cross posted from
there's one African immigrant that should be blamed.
No war but class war. All struggle is class struggle. Everything else is FUD and obfuscation.
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