Programmer Humor

Key skill is to be able to communicate your problem and requirements which turns out to be really hard.

Non of those examples are relevant.

Those examples are specific tools or specific implementation pattern, AI in development is a tool.

It doesn't dictate how to write software or what the written code will look like, it's a tool that speeds up your code wiring. It catches typos and silly bugs that take hours to debug, it's able to generate useful unit tests, it can clean up and apply my code style way better than codemaid or resharper ever code, it's taken care of so much tedious shit and made software development fun again.

Vibe coding is not the future of development. If you aren't learning to use AI as a tool in development, you are going to be left behind.

It's more apt to compare it to IDEs. Sure, you can still write you entire app in vim and compile it in the terminal, but you would have been very foolish to deny the future of development was in IDEs.

You should click the link.

Yeah but it's different this time!

I'd love to read a list of those instances/claims/tech

I imagine one of them was low-code/no-code?

/edit: I see such a list is what the posted link is about.

I'm surprised there's not low-code/no-code in that list.

I don't think it was supposed to replace everyone in IT, but every company had system administrators or IT administrators that would work with physical servers and now there are gone. You can say that the new SRE are their replacement, but it's a different set of skills, more similar to SDE than to system administrators.

Naming it "The Cloud" and not "Someone else's old computer running in their basement" was a smart move though.

It just sounds better.

Interesting article, but you have to be aware of the flipside: "people said flight was impossible", "people said the earth didn't revolve around the sun", "people said the internet was a fad, and now people think AI is a fad".

It's cherry-picking. They're taking the relatively rare examples of transformative technology and projecting that level of impact and prestige onto their new favoured fad.

And here's the thing, the "information superhighway" was a fad that also happened to be an important technology.

Also the rock argument vanishes the moment anyone arrives with actual reasoning that goes beyond the heuristic. So here's some actual reasoning:

GenAI is interesting, but it has zero fidelity. Information without fidelity is just noise, so a system that can't solve the fidelity problem can't do information work. Information work requires fidelity.

And "fidelity" is just a fancy way of saying "truth", or maybe "meaning". Even as conscious beings we haven't really cracked that issue, and I don't think you can make a machine that understands meaning without creating AGI.

Saying we can solve the fidelity problem is like Jules Verne in 1867 saying we could get to the moon with a cannon because of "what progress artillery science has made during the last few years". We're just not there yet, and until we are, the cannon might have some uses, but it's not space technology.

Interestingly, artillery science had its role in getting us to the moon, but that was because it gave us the rotating workpiece lathe for making smooth bore holes, which gave us efficient steam engines, which gave us the industrial revolution. Verne didn't know it, but that critical development had already happened nearly a century prior. ~~Cannons weren't really a factor in space beyond that.~~

Edit: actually metallurgy and solid fuel propellants were crucial for space too, and cannons had a lot to do with that as well. This is all beside the point.

Which is honestly its best use case. That and occasionally asking it to generate a one-liner for a library call I don't feel like looking up. Any significant generation tends to go off the rails fast.

They're great for users, which is why Google and Apple are letting them die from lack of development so apps can make them money.

Can't predict the future, but I can see the past. Specifically the part of the past that used standards based implementations and boring technology. Love that I can pull up html with elements using ALL CAPs and table aligned content. It looks like a hot mess but it still works, even on mobile. Plain text keeps trucking along. Sqlite will outlive me. Exciting things are exciting but the world is made of boring.

"busy work coding" is that what you do when you try to look like you're working (like a real dev)?

I agree that it will continue to be a useful tool. I've gotten a similar productivity boost using AI auto-complete as I did from regular auto-complete. It's also pretty good at identifiying potential uses with code, again, a similar productivity boost as a good linter. The chatbot does make a good sounding board, especially when you don't remember the name of the concept you are trying to implement or need to pro-con two solutions and you can't find articles about it.

But all these claims of 10x improvements in development speed are horse shit. Yeah, you might be able to shit out a 5-10,000 LOC tutorial app in an hour or two with prompt engineering, but try implementing a feature in a 100,000 LOC codebase and it promptly shits the bed: hallucinating internal frameworks, microservices, ignoring internal practices, writing straight up non-functional code, etc. I'd you spend enough time prompting it, you can eventually massage the solution you need out of it; problem is, it took longer to do that than writing the damn thing yourself.

Oh god the hate in this sub. It is definitely another tool for a dev to use. Like autocomplete or a lot of other stuff a good IDE does to help you. If you don't want to use it, fine. Perhaps you're such a pro that you don't need anything but a text editor. If you're not, and you're ignoring it for whatever petty reasons, you'll probably fall behind all the devs who learned how to use it to get more productive (or, in developer terms, lazier)

I'm glad they do. This is going to generate so much work opportunities to undo their messes.

You should probably click the link

Microsoft Flash. Netflix used it for a while. I don't remember anything else using it.