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This appears to be a direct consequence of a recent settlement with the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC), which had charged HoYoverse with deceiving minors into spending for their loot boxes. The Chinese developer was subsequently banned from selling them to users under 16 without a parent's express consent, paid a $20 million fine to the FTC, and was also subject to the following stipulations:
- Prohibited from selling loot boxes using virtual currency without providing an option for consumers to purchase them directly with real money;
- Prohibited from misrepresenting loot box odds, prices and features;
- Required to disclose loot box odds and exchange rates for multi-tiered virtual currency;
- Required to delete any personal information previously collected from children under 13 unless they obtain parental consent to retain such data; and
- Required to comply with COPPA, including its notice and consent requirements.
The why is rarely argued. The how is always the point of contention. That's why I am wondering what they are asking for age verification.
I don't understand what you mean. They're clearly requesting ages over 13 and disabling purchases for those under 16.
I am asking how will they verify the age?
EDIT: I think you might be misunderstanding the grammar. I am not asking "what for". "What for" = "why". I am asking "what do they want as a form of age verification".
Yeah, if the end consequence is creating a giant database of photos of US ID's (and storing which accounts theyre associated with as a nice bonus) then that is, in my opinion, not great.
I understand Discord is already rolling out ID verification in the UK and their solution is to use a 3rd party service (you send them your, they just send discord a "is over 18? YES/NO). Personally I don't think thats much better but it won't be Discord's own liability when they find out call center employees in India or Vietnam are using the images of your ID to sell online or something.
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Sure would be convenient if the US came up with some way to electronically verify IDs...
Rare US W ?
But the adults, they weren't deceived in any way. Hoyo scammed them fair and square.
Ban the entire business model.
No laws against that (lootboxing), yet, and I doubt EA doesn't have their lobbyists against such laws if enacted. It's also something that has existed so long as to become a cornerstone of mobile gaming... well, a cornerstone outside of the stupid Voodoo dot-io kind, anyways. While extremely unethical IMO I wouldn't call it any more deceptive than any regular casino, that is.
I don't understand. For spending money one requires banking/card information. How children will get their guardian's banking details without their consent?
Have you paid for things on mobile in-app? The operating system stores your info behind a password (or biometric) because adults (non-gambling as well) also hate having to memorize 16 digits flawlessly every time they needed to make payments.
I've refused to move my payment from password to biometrics purely because I'll spend more if I don't have to type out my 22 character password. A few times I've gone to buy something and seen the password field pop up and just like.. uhh cbf.
And then saved like $30.
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Why would parents' payment info be stored in child's device or user account?
Not everyone buys a separate device for their children or knows how to/can set up a user account.
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What are they requesting for age verification?
TDLR: "If you don't give us PII information within a made up deadline, we will deny you access to any content you paid in the past."
A settlement with the FTC is not some "made up deadline" Hoyo can change.
TBF the FTC is currently the least legitimate it has ever been as an organization
The settlement—negotiations finished January 17, 2025—was before Trump's inauguration and the illegal firings.
Blame the US for declaring that US minors are too stupid and US parents too neglectful to pay attention to what is purchased online.
They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.
They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.
Good. Gambling is illegal for minors under the age of 18.
Most of the game isn't gambling, to pretend otherwise is just silly. It's like being one of those idiots that pretend counterstrike is gambling.
If there's an otherwise g rated movie with ten minutes of full frontal nudity and hard-core sex what rating do you think that movie is gonna get?
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Force government ID and I'm out. Max I'm giving you is DOB.
... And I don't even play anymore
DOB, yes.....Fake, but yes.
I'm old enough for any DOB check, yet I still lie.
Quick scroll down and a click on wherever i land, mhmm.
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9/11/1900
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Yeah because they intentionally sexualise their extremely youthful characters
... And promote gambling.
wait how exactly are the kids sexualized? i know there's like one or two, but are they actually sexualized canonically?
erm aktually they're 2000 years old
IMO minimal clothing on a <18 y/o person with slitted clothing is enough to me to be considered sexualized
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Largest simp/grindwage DB ever
Dang there is a lot of hate for this game here, like it's definitely not the best game ever but it is one of the most compelling mobile experiences out there, with a decent story that has some great moments, and it can absolutely be played completely for free without missing out on much. The only thing spending money is good for is specific characters and weapons, none of which are required, and you can absolutely save up from playing for free and get almost any of those characters/weapons without spending a dime.
It's not for everyone but I feel like this game gets a lot of hate simply for the Chinese origin, cartoony style, and microtransactions without any actual knowledge of what it's like to play it.
When it comes to gacha games or even just Asian developed games in general, Lemmy is equally as bad as Twitter, maybe even worse. Not only in hostility, but also in making comments on things that are just outright wrong or completely ignorant because they don't play the game and literally never will.
I don't play Genshin anymore (stopped playing around the time of the "Rosaria Nerf Incident" because I wanted to play other games), but when I did play it, it was pretty fun. The gacha did not feel forced, I never spent a dime on the game and never felt like I needed to. The community was fine when you ignored the Twitter people.
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Ha. I hope it kills it.
people under 18 will just jerk off to the girls instead of spending money on the game
Killing off your largest player base. Smooth.
People say that, but kids under 16 probably aren't the majority of people spending thousands in gachas. They usually don't have money, save for the ones who steal their parents's credit card.
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Deleting friends lists seems pretty extreme for being late to verify your age? What age are they requiring? 18?
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