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[–] [email protected] 320 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Yeah some serious boomer logic going on here.

"We thought that if we kept the foundation and the outer walls of the house and we just took the roof off, it was our understanding that we were going to preserve our Save Our Homes and our homestead,” says Debbie."

"the renovations—removing the roof, adding a second floor —ultimately triggered a full reassessment of the home’s value. Under Florida law, once a property is deemed substantially improved, it can be treated as new construction, removing the protections that had capped the home’s assessed value for years."

[–] [email protected] 284 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

Boomer logic ..... "I want all the benefits, entitlements and supports of society and none of the responsibilities."

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Can you imagine the pain of having to pay fairly for what you own... Disgusting.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (25 children)

At the same time, that absolutely is a life altering change. Even the biggest idiots don't deserve to get their life upended. I don't know what the right solution is, but I can extend significant empathy to "I did a dumb thing and I don't know how to keep my home now without uprooting it".

I've only bought one home and it was recently. It was every bit as aweful as I expected but having seen what they are in for, they might not have the cash around nessicary to sell the home without getting scammed by predatory buyers.

The entirety of real estate is so fucked

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A professional tax attorney built a $4.4M home and expected to keep their original valuation?

That’s not a big idiot, that’s attempted tax fraud.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

Won't someone think of the poor multimillionaires?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

They were trying to cheat their taxes and failed. Fuck em.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They tried to apply the building code laws. In Florida, if you do a renovation and keep the foundation and one wall, you can build to the code at the time of construction. These "protections" never applied to assessment and tax.

Many houses in that exact area have been bought for cheap and flipped using this work around. They end up with a modern house but can avoid having to spend extra for upgraded storm mitigation, plumbing, and electric.

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[–] [email protected] 185 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They basically rebuilt their home and are sad it's appraised at market value.

That's at least what I got from it.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, not a lot of sympathy from me.

4.4 mil, wow.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If it’s that big of a problem for their life, why not just sell the house and be multi-millionaires? It’s a non-story. Maybe they should’ve taken that into consideration.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

So, the house is now valued at 6x the original value? If they sold it at only 4-5x it would still be a huge win.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their taxes were grandfathered in because they bought the property at a much lower value, the house was already worth a lot more than they paid for it.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago

Rich boomers who haven't worked in 30 years want to keep property values high without paying the property tax to go with it

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hahahahahahaha

Oh no, their taxes went up with the value of their property

🎻

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm not entirely unsympathetic since property values have skyrocketed ridiculously mostly due to the super rich and hedge funds buying up housing like it's candy.

However, these people got an assessment for doing some renovations without replacing the walls or a major overhaul of the property, then promptly added a whole second floor to the building when they said they were just replacing the roof. They gambled that the assessors wouldn't take note and lost.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

yeah, and the guy was professionally working in the real estate space... feels like they are in the "find out" stage.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How were they supposed to know real estate law being… checks notes…

a real estate attorney?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

I was going to ask why they didn't consult a real estate attorney. Apparently they didn't have a good one...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Working for. That doesn't mean paralegal. Reception, copy, courier, title clerk, mail room, etc

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Debbie, who had worked for a real estate attorney for nearly 25 years

Lol, a real estate attorney didn't see this coming? I feel sorry for any clients of hers.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

She worked FOR a real estate attorney. And apparently learned nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The homeowners have two options, and both options suck.

  • sell
  • don't sell

Both alternatives carry costs. But they own a home worth 4.4mil and have to pay 2% of that each year. That's pretty low.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Renters have two options:

  • get fucked
  • move (and get fucked)

At least if the homeowner sells they get the windfall.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Hmm. So if you buy a house in your 20s, by the time you retire, you would have bought the equivalent of 2.5 houses. One for you, one from the government for the privilege of living in the one you bought, and half a house worth of interest to the bank.

That's an insane amount of money.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yes. Living in a safe and orderly society has a subscription fee.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, if the US government wasn't so stingy about, y know, actually spending on it's people instead of the military, tax cuts for billionaires and buerocracy, it would be fine imo. Here, in CZ, I'm mostly fine with the taxes since we're a pretty safe country with decent healthcare. Despite the country still having a huge corruption problem and housing market in flames, it still somehow has higher living Ng standard than the US.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Having your home valued at $4,400,000 is what most of us would call a nice problem to have.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Actually it's a pretty bad problem to have. If you bought an affordable house at the time but gentrification comes for your area you suddenly can't afford to live in the house you bought and despite whatever roots you've put down, now you have to try to migrate somewhere else.

Note that even if your tax assessment says you can get a few million out of your house, it's likely not that easy, it can take a long time to find a buyer in the best of times, I imagine especially if you are seeking a buyer willing to pay millions...

It's not as bad as renting in the same scenario, but it's not great to suddenly have rich person cost of ownership come at you when you bought into a non rich person level house

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

basically what happens when you create and support a housing system whose goal is to make profit. doesnt matter if you yourself plan on living in it, people voted for the system that approved the nonsense of longterm profiteering of a basic need.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Okay I know it's not such a popular opinion but I'm still on the notion that you shouldn't pay taxes for holding on to the place that you live.

Yeah yeah local governments need income and all that and their house is assessed over 4 million dollars and many people can't even afford a home at a 10th of that and they should have known and blah blah blah but come on, commodified housing is bad enough. Paying what amounts to a rent to the state just to hold on to the property, actual repairs and upkeep and other naturally occurring costs aside is insane.

Tax the sales of property. Tax the legal transfer of control of LLCs that "own" property. I'm not even saying never charge property tax on properties not occupied by the owner, but you should be able to have a house to live in without paying the state for the privilege of them not taking it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (9 children)

What in the libertarian garbage is this? Do you like roads, schools, libraries, parks, garbage pickup, etc etc etc. Property taxes pay for these things.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

So you were house rich but they never reassessed meaning last year you paid 15k on a 3.9m home nicw

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

You’d think a real estate attorney would know better.

Anyway, property –with the improvements they made, has appreciated over $163,000 on average every year since they bought it. Ya, $75k more than they planned on sucks, but they can take it from the value of the house no?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's always funny when looking at the tax-system in the US from an EU perspective. Americans looking at any receipt they get in an EU country and immediately pointing out the huge VAT tariff.

Then one only needs to point to the property tax in the US.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Sales taxes are regressive. People who spend more money on services and less on goods are typically wealthier. Sales taxes hit the poor the hardest. Whereas the property tax on a multi unit building is typically a better rate for each family than a single family home.

If you read the article these people tried to abuse a loophole that had kept their propery taxes capped for years and they failed miserably. They tried to keep just enough of the home to avoid the value of the home being reassessed for taxes. But they added an entire second story and that triggered the reassessment. Essentially they thought they could cheat and build more home than they could afford to pay for.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Yearly property taxes never made sense to me. So you supposedly bought and own something, except if you don't pay the government then they can just take it away.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (27 children)

Taxes are the price of civilization. You pay taxes on your land, because if you don't, a gang of armed thugs will come and steal it from you and bury you under it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck off and sell the home. Why is this a sob story.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That sucks, but I also think the era of the single family home is ending. No regular person can afford these home prices. Even if you can afford a one time renovation on your $650,000 house does not mean you can afford a $90,000/year tax bill. Single family home values have gone off the charts and regular people cannot afford them. We need to increase housing supply.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

They’re artificially high because concentrated wealth is buying up the supply. As of 2024 as much as 25% of the supply is being purchased by institutional investors in some markets

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Sure must be nice having a house to remodel.

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