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That might break the statehood contract. Which would lead to repercussions. Which would lead to more repercussions...
As everybody involved well knows, of course.
yes too bad something needs to be done. sick of the world clowning on us。 everything has repercussions
Just fucking do it. Put us out of our misery.
See, when people say Democrats need to start DOING things to push back against Trump, this is what they're talking about.
Is this a foolproof idea? Probably not. Could it backfire? Possibly. Will it really help? If it makes the admin second-guess what it can get away with, yeah, that's helpful. This is the energy we need. Stop playing softball with these fascists.
He literally hasnt done anything. More talk, no action, what's new?
"Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington."
So if Newsome cuts off the flow, it's not just the $83B overage, it's everything + $83B.
California is, what? 13th largest economy in the world? 11th?
Whoah... 4th. Just ahead of Japan and behind Germany:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world/
US and China being #1 and 2.
You know? It really begs the question:
What's preventing conservative states from being able to pay for their own social programs and infrastructure?
Is it liberal states absorbing all the wealth so that the conservative states can't grow? Is it that being conservative is actually really really bad for the economy? Maybe they just never recovered from having slavery taken away and refused to adapt. Because there's definitely something going on...
When a State actually takes care of it's citizens, it becomes a better place to live and start businesses. That attracts and creates better educated and more affluent people, which makes it a better place to live and do business. People flee the poorer states for a better chance at success in the liberal state. Repeat this for a century or so and that's how conservative states become shitholes and liberal states (and countries) are much better off.
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California, propping up red states since 1970’s…
Did something happen then that started to prevent red states from having functional economies?
Average population intelligence and education.
Inbreeding catches up to everyone.
Regularity capture. Lobbying. Lead poisoning. Terrible politicians. Regressive tax policies.
Texas is the 8th largest economy in the world.
that blew my mind recently.
I'm too lazy to verify my hunch, but I'm guessing Texas is largely oil (exploiting natural resources), whereas California is largely intellectual output (tech, with some Hollywood and other sundry stuff), though California certainly does exploit its natural resources too (good farming conditions, some oil...).
Wine too I bet for California.
Agriculture in general, really.
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What does this even mean? Like W2 taxes go directly from employer to federal right? What kind of control can California actually do to stop monetary flow to the federal government?
This is the first stage of sedition.
The US is literally about to become divided. The DSA
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This fucker needs to put his money where his mouth is. He has been too deferential to Trump so far.
Considering how Trump is gutting the IRS I wonder why I’m paying federal taxes.
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Can someone explain how this would work? When I work a job and they withhold money from my check, they then pay that withheld money along with the matching taxes paid by the business directly to the federal government, don't they? Would the state just order the businesses to send the money to them instead? If my tax dollars don't get sent to the fed, wouldn't the IRS still come after me to pay them?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. I just don't understand the mechanics of how it would work.
Just declare that jobs within the state no longer collect it, and provide a hotline to identify employers who don't comply. It's not like the IRS has the people to manage federal enforcement.
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One way would be the actual taxes paid on state, county, and municipal employee salaries. That's going to represent a large source of federal taxes that the state could divert. I'm sure there are other taxes paid by the state that could be withheld.
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I'd be fine if the west coast joined Canada somehow. I realize it's probably unrealistic and impossible, but one can dream.
Source: Live on the west coast.
This Canadian doesn't want the added baggage of American guns, Jesus, and hubris.
I'd rather be an independent republic, with all the regions in California becoming states of this new country. And the new constitution must be made so that we don't have neglect of vast areas of our country, just like we currently have with the US constitution. Otherwise I can foresee far northern California and parts of the central valley becoming bitter right wing states which trample on individuals rights, just like all the red states of the current country.
No states 1 country. Otherwise we'd have our own Mississippi and Arkansas out in bum fucksville
Yeah usually I would disagree but having no state level divisions would be decent, it also would make things easier if we need to unite with WA, OR, NV, or AZ. Since then we could just reactivate the state level shit again.
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But that might UPSET Trump and we CANT have THAT!
-The DNC!
How would CA even do this? Most of the taxes go from people to the feds without the state as an intermediary.
Doge just gutted the irs. Who will collect?
CA could just offer an service to run the irs around in circles or even pay for your audit.
Create an escrow account, and tell CA businesses that federal withholding goes there. Same with payments by individuals.
Maybe some won’t. But most probably will. Especially if you plan to tell them you’ll fund Medicare/aid and snap from it.
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Only problem I see with this plan is the Mustard Mussolini's fox and friends would push the federal financial systems to cut off Californians from the banking network, effectively embargoing the state.
As much money as it has, it's not totally self sufficient.
Plan a bit first, get some other states to join in, and countries who are sick of Trump's shit to help supply.
Worst case is the president comes in with military, while the Cali national guard could be called up, technically they can be federalized, court battles, federal soldiers looking to arrest Newsom.
Cali, Washington, New York, New Jersey splitting though would be a hell of a blow, cripple shipping.
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