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What does this even mean? Like W2 taxes go directly from employer to federal right? What kind of control can California actually do to stop monetary flow to the federal government?
That might break the statehood contract. Which would lead to repercussions. Which would lead to more repercussions...
As everybody involved well knows, of course.
yes too bad something needs to be done. sick of the world clowning on us。 everything has repercussions
Just fucking do it. Put us out of our misery.
See, when people say Democrats need to start DOING things to push back against Trump, this is what they're talking about.
Is this a foolproof idea? Probably not. Could it backfire? Possibly. Will it really help? If it makes the admin second-guess what it can get away with, yeah, that's helpful. This is the energy we need. Stop playing softball with these fascists.
He literally hasnt done anything. More talk, no action, what's new?
This fucker needs to put his money where his mouth is. He has been too deferential to Trump so far.
"Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington."
So if Newsome cuts off the flow, it's not just the $83B overage, it's everything + $83B.
California is, what? 13th largest economy in the world? 11th?
Whoah... 4th. Just ahead of Japan and behind Germany:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world/
US and China being #1 and 2.
You know? It really begs the question:
What's preventing conservative states from being able to pay for their own social programs and infrastructure?
Is it liberal states absorbing all the wealth so that the conservative states can't grow? Is it that being conservative is actually really really bad for the economy? Maybe they just never recovered from having slavery taken away and refused to adapt. Because there's definitely something going on...
When a State actually takes care of it's citizens, it becomes a better place to live and start businesses. That attracts and creates better educated and more affluent people, which makes it a better place to live and do business. People flee the poorer states for a better chance at success in the liberal state. Repeat this for a century or so and that's how conservative states become shitholes and liberal states (and countries) are much better off.
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Personally, I think climate has a lot to do with it. Texas overcomes their climate because of oil, but look at the bottom 10 GDP states compared to the top 10:
Top 10:
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Washington
New Jersey
You're going to boil your ass working in Texas, Florida, and Georgia. Oil makes it worth it in Texas. Agriculture, aerospace and defense in Georgia, apparently. Tourism in Florida.
Bottom 10:
West Virginia
Delaware
Maine
Rhode Island
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Alaska
Wyoming
Vermont
1/2 of this list is known for brutal cold. I think all Rhode Island produces is commuters to New York. LOL.
California, propping up red states since 1970’s…
Did something happen then that started to prevent red states from having functional economies?
Regularity capture. Lobbying. Lead poisoning. Terrible politicians. Regressive tax policies.
Average population intelligence and education.
Inbreeding catches up to everyone.
Texas is the 8th largest economy in the world.
that blew my mind recently.
I'm too lazy to verify my hunch, but I'm guessing Texas is largely oil (exploiting natural resources), whereas California is largely intellectual output (tech, with some Hollywood and other sundry stuff), though California certainly does exploit its natural resources too (good farming conditions, some oil...).
No, they have a ton of industry. Specifically a lot of the actual weapons manufacturing btw.
Texas is more or less what Ukraine was to the Soviet Union, if you want to understand why a fascist loser like Putin is so hung up on getting it back. A significant source of resources, manufacturing, and expertise.
Is weapons manufacturing a social program? 🤔🫴
US weapons manufacturing is an Israeli housing program.
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This is the first stage of sedition.
The US is literally about to become divided. The DSA
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Considering how Trump is gutting the IRS I wonder why I’m paying federal taxes.
I know someone that hasn't paid their taxes in years and they've yet to face consequences. I genuinely do wonder if the IRS has the capability to enforce tax collection atm.
They “caught” me because I forgot to file the paperwork showing my employer arranged me paying my taxes on vesting stock shares. Couldn’t have been more than four figures. I’m glad they’re on the case of small-fry tax “cheats.”
Meanwhile, billionaires pay nothing in taxes.
But billionaire are supposed to pay nothing. That's intentional. Lol.
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Can someone explain how this would work? When I work a job and they withhold money from my check, they then pay that withheld money along with the matching taxes paid by the business directly to the federal government, don't they? Would the state just order the businesses to send the money to them instead? If my tax dollars don't get sent to the fed, wouldn't the IRS still come after me to pay them?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. I just don't understand the mechanics of how it would work.
Just declare that jobs within the state no longer collect it, and provide a hotline to identify employers who don't comply. It's not like the IRS has the people to manage federal enforcement.
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One way would be the actual taxes paid on state, county, and municipal employee salaries. That's going to represent a large source of federal taxes that the state could divert. I'm sure there are other taxes paid by the state that could be withheld.
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I'd be fine if the west coast joined Canada somehow. I realize it's probably unrealistic and impossible, but one can dream.
Source: Live on the west coast.
This Canadian doesn't want the added baggage of American guns, Jesus, and hubris.
As a Canadian who lives on the US West Coast, I probably wouldn't have a hard time with that personally.
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How would CA even do this? Most of the taxes go from people to the feds without the state as an intermediary.
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