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And I was called a fascist bootlicker when I suggested that when people with guns tells you to leave the area, you comply...
....and then you make plans.
Not everyone has the option but those who do and are at risk and know they can't bring upon any positive change by staying, should leave.
When all the ones who are disgusted leave, you are left with only those who are disgusting. Not my words but somehow they apply again.
Must be nice to be financially stable enough to run away.
How did you get financially trapped?
People in the rest of the western world and also mostly elsewhere in the entire world can actually travel.
What do you have to lose if you can't walk away from where you are? You already lost your freedom and can no longer go anywhere else, because finances? In the richest country in the world?
If I ever find myself in that kind of serfdom without a dime in my pocket, I will put on my shoes and start walking.
An academic who's job is is to know these things is spending the money to do it. That's the take away here. They're the Canary in the Coal Mine.
yeah, you got the same vibe from the political professors that Jon Stewart had on his podcast last week. Just depressed and resigned.
I don't know your story or your financial situation.
It is a sad reality that in the US there are literally millions who probably can't leave even if it was life or death. But i feel like your comment directs your anger and pain towards those who are in at the very least a similar boat to you. Considering that she is an academic, I doubt she is rich, probably middle class at best. The billionaires stole from you, she is probably a victim of this system just like you.
She is lucky to be able to leave, but realistically she is probably just putting a much bigger weight on this issue than most and I would guess that she sees this as a life or death situation. I think that in a life or death situation, most people can afford to leave to Canada, this isn't that crazy nor does it cost a fortune. It is true that not all people can, but I'm pretty sure that by far most can.
This.
There are very many shades of "I can't leave".
Depending on how urgently you want to leave, some of these reasons are "can't leave" or turn into "I'll leave anyway".
There's also another category, "I can leave, but I don't want to leave behind people important to me that would be at significantly more risk than I am." I've got the work experience to head off to any of several fairly comfortable and stable countries on a skilled work visa, and hope that, if push comes to shove, none of my debts I currently have in the US would become obstacles to my permanently settling there. I can more or less fluently speak Spanish and Portuguese, and I can get by fine in French. Within a couple more years, I'll have a degree from a European university completed, and I continue to study other languages, with varying degrees of success.
I'm still hanging around, waiting for my sister-in-law to finish up her degree in another two years so that the three of us could all get out at once, as, despite being a naturalized citizen for more than 20 years, I wouldn't put it past ICE and the current administration to target her just for having darker skin and a slight accent to her English. I'd rather be here where I can watch out for her and raise hell ASAP if something were to happen, than be posted up in a new flat in France or something, and suddenly realize I can't get in contact with her at all.
There's also the simple fact that, for those who don't have the means to legally obtain a visa, I'm unaware of any nation that has started accepting asylum cases from the US on the grounds of the current administration's actions and policies. Yeah, I could walk to the border with Canada, or overstay on a tourist trip in Europe, but then you face the very real possibility of being caught and sent back, straight into the hands of the very people you are trying to escape, clearly marking yourself out as a dissident of some form. This is leaving aside all the issues you would face as an undocumented immigrant in a foreign nation. I sure don't have the funds to just show up in Ireland or Portugal and be able to get myself somewhere to stay indefinitely, clothe and feed myself, even assuming I find work within the first few months. I don't know anyone there that could help me land on my feet.
Getting out, and more importantly, being able to assure you can stay out, is not as simple a task as people who haven't seriously looked into it might think.
I could never leave until every other person I know that wanted to get out makes it out. I couldn't live with myself knowing I was strong enough to help people that got stuck dealing with whatever bull shit scenario is coming down the line. I truly hope that people that know they can't handle it do make it out safe because it is surely going to get crazier than any other time in recent history ... at least that people in the west have had to deal with.
People are going to need their cars, houses and anything else they can keep alive up and running.
Just be prepared to not rat anyone out !
All the ways to escape that didn't require lots of money are all long gone
As others have already commented, not everyone can just leave. Also, if we could all leave, who would take so many USA immigrants?
Honestly there's enough place in places like Guyana and Suriname for you guys
I don't blame people for running, but personally I've always found that Fighting Fascism is a Fine Hill to Die On.
To be honest, I'd be perfectly willing to die on much smaller, less impactful hills. Some days I feel like dying in a valley, far away from anything, but then I see some real bullshit going on and get mightily pissed off.
What I'm saying is, dying isn't the worst thing you can do in life.
That's a shit lesson to take from 33. My takeaway is don't let the brown shirts win. I'm not running from my country with my tail between my legs.
Fascists can fuck off, in fact ~~70~~ 7 millions just assembled to say just that.
Edit: I didn't think staying in my country of birth and fighting for freedom and decency would be such a hot button issue.
To all of you who felt the need to be condescending I'd just say tighten up and show some backbone. Real disappointing. So you may be shot and sent to a gulag. You wouldn't be the first, probably not the last. Try not to let fear and righteousness dictate your feelings.
If you read the rest of the article, she addresses that. She doesn't believe that she is personally brave enough to physically confront what is coming, so for her, the choice is get out now while she can and be vocal.
Not sure where your getting that 70 million number, but according to Wikipedia it was some 5 million.
Not to criticize, but I think it’s important not to spread inaccuracies and over inflate turnout numbers like a certain someone likes to do.
Edit: Lemmy post with final count numbers on attendance. Looks like it’s a bit larger than initially thought, which is fantastic!
She did her part by educating us and it's obvious she'll be among the first to be targeted. It only makes sense that she should flee.
I, for one, am grateful that she spoke the truth in that NYT opinion piece.
Right? I don’t get people here mocking her for leaving. The first people to be removed or “disappeared” in fascists states are the bogeymen “others” - the foreigners, the ones that are easy targets and can’t fight back. The next ones are the obvious liberal dissenters. First the regular people, the scientists and liberal teachers, the students, then the liberal politicians. The smart people are always targeted.
"I'm affluent with the privilege & means to escape when I know it's going to go bad &, trust me, it's going to get bad.
Anyways, good luck, suckers!"
She's using her position to educate, raise awareness, and validate the alarm several people are feeling. This is possibly the most impactful thing she can do at the moment. She is standing up and pointing out fascism. I guess she could stay after having done that, but then you get people going "if it's so bad then why don't you leave?!" And then she's at even more risk of being disappeared. She is uprooting her family and life and in the process displaying how sincerely she believes that we're headed down the wrong path. Is she doing it for her own benefit, yea, sure, but this article imho is more impactful than her going to a protest. I've sent it to some of my more normie friends already because we were just talking about this and they really don't realize how bad things are already. They think I'm fear mongering. This article might help people realize what the reality is and take direct action that they didn't think was necessary at this point. Is it cowardly to leave? Maybe. But she didn't have to speak out, she could have left quietly, but she chose to make a statement. That's more than a lot of people will end up doing, regardless of if they stay or not.