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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

I forget, which movie was this from?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago (1 children)

I think the text is doctored, in the OG film it's not so explicit. Feel free to correct me though, I'm working off "I heard it somewhere".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 minutes ago

The movie is Rambo 3 and you are correct. The real dedication is to the "Gallant people of Afghanistan".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

We learned that the Taliban can be right here in your own backyard, and the most important thing is the oil deals you make along the way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago

Good, they are traitors to their country

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

TBF, withdrawing was a Trump era decision that Joe Biden simply didn't stop. Trump also released 5,000+ Taliban Fighters just before. I feel like if we didn't elect people like Donald fucking Trump then the outcome might have been different, it really seems like he was intentionally causing these problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

I remember Bush had withdrawal plan he started putting in action, then Obama had one, then Trump had one, then Biden had one

[–] [email protected] 2 points 41 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure another 20 years would have been enough

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

As long as it took. They had a democracy, they had international trade, they had human rights. You can't put a pricetag on that. The USA was protecting something worth protecting for a change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago)

LOL
When the first installed puppet got a bit of remorse when he saw the butchery of the US they replaced him with a literal American, Ghani.
They pulled a reverse Jolani, they made him grow a beard and wear traditional clothes since the locals knew what he was and disliked him.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/02/afghanistan-ashraf-ghani-corrupt/

And same as the US he stole all the money and gold he could get his paws on.
This from a country left in ruins and misery after what the US did.
Democracy my ass.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

How hard is it for you to understand they didn't want your racist violent military or your corrupt puppet regime ruling them?

Afghanistan has international trade now, and not only that but they also manufacture solar panels and other stuff for local consumption or export.

Your comment is a combination of racism, chauvinism and white saviour complex. Worse, you think you are doing good. Even worse, you are eager to do it all over again in another country against its people's will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I'm sorry that you're on the faction opposing women in education, driving, or any form of authority. I'm sorry that you prefer an actual theocratic dictatorship. I'm at a loss that you didn't notice the immediate tariffs, sanctions, and funds being frozen when they took over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

LOL this guy again, Eglin Airforce Base?
"Being frozen" The US vulgar thieves stole it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago) (1 children)

I'm on the faction of "it's none of your business how Afghans govern themselves and you have no right to enforce your norms on them". If the puppet regime had any real support it wouldn't have collapsed in weeks.

I’m at a loss that you didn’t notice the immediate tariffs, sanctions, and funds being frozen when they took over.

Who placed the tariffs, sanctions and froze the funds? The US government and its allies being sore losers. You may want to take another look at this:

Previously, Afghanistan’s trade volume did not exceed $850 million annually, but after the return of the Islamic Emirate, exports surged to $2 billion. In 2024, Afghanistan’s total trade reached $12.42 billion, with exports at $1.803 billion and imports at $10.619 billion. In comparison, in 2023, Afghanistan’s exports were $1.884 billion and imports were $7.71 billion. This shows a 4% decrease in exports and a 38% increase in imports in 2024 compared to the previous year.

https://www.bakhtarnews.af/en/afghanistans-total-trade-achieves-12-42-billion-milestone-in-2024/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

How other people govern themselves is everyone's business. This isnt a difference of opinion it is brutal totalitarianism. People are killed and you hide behind it being a difference of culture. It isnt acceptable. That said the US are shitbags.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 minutes ago

I disagree with you on the former and it reeks of white-saviour-complex, but I agree with you on the latter. One out of two, isn't bad.

Try to meddle in other countries' business, try to force your norms on them, and you will be met with resistance. If your values are so much better and universal you wouldn't need to force them on other nations through military and economic coercion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

They had a democracy, they had international trade, they had human rights. You can't put a pricetag on that.

Around $2.3 trillion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I didnt know about any of this. The article I read mentioned they offered to put him on trial prior to 9/11 too for his other crimes in the 90s. America is literally the idiot bully who yells over anything you say and then eventually punches you in the face while you are confused.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 minutes ago

He also died of natural causes.
Been invisible for a decade and wouldn't you know it, a few months before the presidential elections "we got him".
Somehow they showed no footage of him being heroically killed by the brave GI Joe's.
They go trough all the trouble of taking his body during a dangerous raid in a hostile country, but somehow they decide all on their own to throw his body from the ship.
LOL

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Is this text AI generated? The civilian death toll in the "submission statement" is about 6x higher than accepted numbers and about 100K higher than all total deaths in the entire conflict.

IMO (AI or not) slop like this just "floods the zone with shit" while doing noting to help the progressive cause.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is in the first paragraph of what you linked:

The Cost of War project estimated in 2015 that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high as 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I shouldn't need to tell you that that is a completely different statistic. You don't need to muddy the waters of truth to make the point.

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