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Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' (www.reuters.com)

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[–] [email protected] 174 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Trump wants the expanded powers of POTUS that comes with being a wartime president, as well as a wartime budget, but he needs Congress to declare war…so what does he do?

He pulls out of an agreement that restricted Iran from enriching uranium, then threatens to attack them for enriching uranium. Unexpectedly, Iran takes the high road and goes to the UN over the threats. Since Iran won’t attack, Trump gets Israel to attack Iran. Now, Trump is allowed to attack Iran under the false pretense of protecting an ally, which circumvents congressional approval. He posts a message claiming peace, knowing full well that Iran will retaliate, and Congress will subsequently declare war.

Trump gets everything he wants- expanded powers, and a big budget to hide his reckless overspending, while calling it the defense of an allied nation.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

The only thing I have a gripe with about this, Trump doesn't have the mental faculties to plan something like this, so who's really pulling the strings here?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago

The same think tank that made the project 2025 blueprint he's following.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The military industrial complex, JD Vance is Peter Thiel's pet.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Miller probably.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unlikely, since it doesn't involve harassing and torturing immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

True true.

But you forgot that it does involve bombing Muslims.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

True true.

But you forgot that it does involve bombing ~~Muslims~~ brown people.

No need to make it as complicated as religion

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

The Netanyahu ass kissing cabal. So most republicans in politics.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Peter Thiel and friends. The guys pulling Vance's strings waiting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Stephen Miller and the other inhuman cancers on his cabinet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Key point. Yes, he's the focus right now, but there's people in the background influencing him as well as people just following orders from him. Lots of guilty people, not just one.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Congress "declaring war" is a relic of the past. Every conflict since WWII has been unilaterally decided by the executive.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

He needs them to declare war to give him the fat budget and more executive power. I’m sure the Republican-controlled majority won’t have a problem with it. They’ve been foaming at the mouth for a hot war with Iran since the 80s.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck. This. Man. Impeach him. Jail him. Deport him. I don't care just fucking get him out of politics.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

On this matter, trump Kamala Biden Hillary they will all do the same thing.

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Edit: downvote as you like. My point was he might get jailed for many reasons, supporting Israel’s genocide and war is likely not one of them. Most recent US politician has been doing pretty much the same thing. 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 weeks ago

The only person in your list that started a war without congressional approval was tronald dump. So do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago

Screeching "bOtH SiDeS" while we literally watch only one side, only 1 president do this. Wow, you're definitely not indoctrinated...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Possibly. Probably even. It's still irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's kind of funny to watch the downvotes and the comments though. It's like a "our hivemind is better than your hivemind" situation.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Or it's just blatantly stupid. That could be the reason.

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[+] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're saying there is no unifying, collective sentiment on this community against anything to do with Trump or MAGA people? You're saying that people who favor Trump are welcome here? That there is even room for discussion?

I'm saying there's a definite hivemind on this community. It's objectively better than the MAGA hivemind, of course, it's barely comparable. But it's funny to see it unfold in a thread like this. In a sad kind of way though, a way where it shows that the country is entirely black and white and polarized to the brink of civil war.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

People in general will be happy if their friend gets promoted at work, but sad if they get hit by a bus. Is this a hivemind mentality? Or just the result of people having thoughts and emotions and values and ya know being people.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who is Trump Kamala Biden Hillary?

Never heard of that person before.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Iran says that they will not stop with their efforts. Trump just said that if it doesn’t stop, he will continue with his campaign. Unless one side relents, this will lead to war. Or, as the media will put it “precision strikes against a foreign adversary” Fuck the USA, may it reap what it sows.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

We're already at war.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remove Trump now!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That’ll take the spines of 6 Republicans in the House and 20 Republicans in the Senate. Actually, 21 Republican Senators. Fetterman will probably vote against removal.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

errrr, well let us see, I am skeptical these strikes were decisive, they might just make the US look worse

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What gives you the impression Trump cares about how the US looks to the international community?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing, but I do think he has to respond to it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does he though?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't be the first time, if true.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The analysis before the attack was that the bunker-busters probably wouldn't make it all the way through the mountainside, so Iran could dig their way out and get everything back on line in a few months.

Did this change, or is this just another case of Trump giving the illusion of having done something, when it's all glitzy window-dressing and bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I thought talk of nukes was to make invasion seem like a good and sane alternative. That, or it was news corporations gleefully picking up some nonsense and shouting it from the rooftops hoping for some clicks.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So iran is no longer a threat and we can drop sanctions now?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope the bunker-buster bombs worked. Whether the costs of war are worth paying in order to destroy Iran's nuclear program is debatable, but they're definitely paid in vain if the program survives.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah. If they didn't manage to really destroy the material base of the program, Iran wil get nukes and the world's opinion could also shift in Iran's favour. Especially if they now act with restraint and hit all the legal avenues to say how they got harmed without justification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't think that Iran is going to get much useful sympathy from any country not already on its side (and of those, Russia has other priorities). Iran's ambitions have put it at odds with both Western countries and the Arab world and international law (even if it is on Iran's side - I don't know) is never going to lead countries to act against the dictates of realpolitik.

I also don't think that failing to destroy these facilities necessarily makes a nuclear-armed Iran inevitable, given that Israel and the USA apparently have total air dominance. The infrastructure needed to deploy nuclear ICBMs can't all be kept deep underground and Iran's dependence on oil exports makes its economy particularly vulnerable to strategic bombing. I just don't trust Trump to see things through if his initial attempts fail - he's too impulsive. (And I'm not sure the moral calculus remains the same either - it's one thing to blow up a few underground weapons labs and quite another to engage in a strategic bombing campaign against the entire country.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If anything, Israel and the US have clearly showed Iran that they will never be safe unless they develop military capabilities strong enough to deter attacks.

Like... what kind of message do you think you're sending when you attack a country trying to develop nukes because they see you as an existential threat? Iran has been shown that the only way they will ever be safe from Israel is by developing nukes such that Israel doesn't dare attack them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My major concern is that faced with defeat either way, they use dirty bombs to irradiate the population centers of israel. We’d have 9 million refugees and a huge environmental catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Is that on the cards? I guess they could load whatever material they have onto missiles and shoot. Even if they're intercepted, the fallout would still occur. But I thought their nuclear option is actually destroying Saudi oil facilities. That would plunge the world into another inflationary cycle and accompanying economic instability, likely political instability too. Wouldn't get rid of the Israeli threat though. I guess irradiating Israel would achieve that.

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