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[–] [email protected] 166 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As reiterated by the OP, the proposal is just a proposal and was proposed with heaps of lead time probably because they expected it to be controversial.

As also mentioned, heaps of volunteer time is spent maintaining the packages where most are barely used (even for gaming).

However, it does not seem like there is a viable alternative. Many comments say the suggested alternative, WINE's WoW64, does not work for all games.

I can see both sides here. Fedora maintainers says "this is so much work!" and (mostly) gamers saying "But older games will stop working!".

The response from the Bazzite guy does seem overblown to me. I would think the first step is to work out the impact, as I haven't seen anyone quantify what proportion of games are affected and if there are alternatives like emulation.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm wondering what the problem even is. I mean, can't you just put all the stuff relevant to 32 bit gaming into a 'retro-gaming' package and be like "there, now if you want updates, better find maintainers"?

If you have an old game, chances are you won't need many new features. Only problem could be other packages or the kernel becoming incompatible. I don't know how relevant that is in this instance.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

only problem could be other packages or the kernel becoming incompatible

Yea dependency management without updates is like 80% of the work that goes into package maintenance

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

WINE’s WoW64, does not work for all games.

Ok but is that because of fundamental limitations, or just because of bugs?

One's easier to fix than the other.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If it works like real WoW64, then 16 bit applications won't work ever but 32 bit applications that don't work will be because of fixable bugs.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Older games? What are you talking about? They say in that thread that Valve doesn’t release 64bit versions of Steam. That means any games through Steam using the official client would be unplayable.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Dammit - found Bazzite one week ago and love it - now its embroiled in a controversy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Same here. Nobara was too glitchy so I switched to Bazzite and love it so far. Sigh.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For those that think the response is overblown, from the thread:

These images are intended to be a drop-in replacement for Steam Deck OS for handheld console-like gaming PCs like the Steam Deck (Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS ROG Ally, MSI Claw, and other hardware in the same space).

These are also to be used to create gaming theater PCs, for streamlined use on a living room television.

The issue with “just using Flatpak or a container” is that the gamescope compositor simply does not work in those situations, when paired with Steam’s Gaming Mode, as it has the same concerns as a desktop environment. There would simply be no way to serve Gaming Mode as an environment.

As such, moving to this would essentially force Bazzite, as a project, to abandon its primary reason for existing - alienating 2/3s of their userbase. The remaining 1/3s would be served a lesser experience for a variety of more paper cut reasons, and VR is already a complex topic which would get even worse.

It's a big deal because disallowing the native steam build would make it nearly impossible to run bazzite in a SteamOS-like experience (which accounts for 2/3s of bazzite's users)

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Glad I didnt install bazzite.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did he elaborate on why? Is it really that integral to have 32bit tools?

[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The comments in the thread don't mention Steam itself, but it's that running all the 32 bit games will become a problem. Steam's flatpak packages the 32 bit packages so that can get around this change, but the flatpak is not official and does not support all features. Steam themselves only provide the RPM for Fedora.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

steam package from rpmfusion is not official

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Ah you're right. It seems Steam only provides a *.deb as far as I can tell.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ah yeah. Would be unfortunate. Bazzite was the least amount of setup i've ever had to do with linux and is the only repo I could recommend to someone non-technical

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yes, and from what I understood:

  • Steam is still 32bit. Two-thirds of Bazzite's user base use the OS on handhelds requiring Steam's gaming mode front-end. Installing Steam as a flatpak removes the ability to boot into gaming mode, and so alienating two-thirds of Bazzite's user base.
  • It will kill support for older games that are still 32bit. Wine's WoW64 isn't ready yet, and even so, building custom Proton for 32bit support (e.g. Including all the 32bit libraries inside of Proton itself) on top of the Proton provided by Valve is going to be very messy.
  • OBS requires 32bit packages to capture video data from 32bit games. If 32bit is no longer supported, this'll kill streamers playing older games (OBS is probably the most widely used software by streamers and game recorders).
  • It would kill VR on Bazzite, as VR still makes use of 32bit features (I'm not sure why or which ones, but that's what's said).
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (25 children)

After Bazzite I went to Garuda, is also gaming focused and has a handy helper app that helps you install common software, run updates, and more.

If you need a new distro it's worth a look.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I went to Garuda

THERE'S DOZENS OF US, DOZENS!!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Instead of shutting down why not choose another distro base

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Probably a lot of time and work to do so, they've spent a lot of time learning what tweaks Fedora needs.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The only notable thing about Bazzite is that it's built on top of Fedora Atomic, making it immutable like SteamOS.

Without that, it's just a regular old distro with some opinions about which software should be preinstalled.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would require redoing everything. It would be a massive project, and honestly since there’s already other gaming oriented distros out there, what would be the point? It’s not like Garuda or PopOS is shit.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hear me out... But should we be asking why there are so many things, steam included, that are still on 32b libraries?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean the answer is pretty easy: video games generally have a long shelf life and no maintenance at some point after they’re released.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Your compatibility layers can be 64b, however, and support those 32b games that don't even run natively on that hardware anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

PikaOS is Debian based, and they've built the deps they need for Steam in 32-bit, so it's not the end of the world AFAIK. GloriousEggroll seems to be part of it too, so if any refugees are looking for something not Fedora-based there you go. Although his efforts for now seem focused more on Nobara (which is Fedora-based) maybe this will cause some shake-ups there too. I can see Pika is already picking up speed from this though, the Discord is super active.

Even if Fedora doesn't ever drop support I think even considering the possibility is shaking people's confidence in using it as a base going forward, sort of like how Unity's quickly-walked-back disasters drove people irrevocably towards Godot and other engines. Arch and Arch-based distros are probably starting to look much more appealing too.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I would be shocked if Fedora went through with it. If anyone remembers canonical tried to do this with you one to some years ago. They backed down then after push back as well.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You one to

What. The. Fuck.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Speech to text is my guess. You one to = Ubuntu?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Throwing a tantrum isn't how to get what you want. This is a common behavior in the OSS world from wannabe BDFLs. Linus Torvalds or Guido van Rossum earned that title through merit, not through the simple luck of your side project going viral.

Bazzite is just Fedora Atomic with some extra preinstalled software. If it dies, it'll hurt the community of Linux gamers who picked it for whatever reason, but it won't make Fedora maintain 32 bit packages forever.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Nobody's throwing a tantrum. They're just saying they can't reasonably serve their purpose if they lose 32-bit support. A project so heavily based on other projects is subject to upstream whims, and they probably don't have the manpower to do anything about it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

God fucking damnit, I finally find a Linux OS that gels with me and I find this shit....

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Note that this is just a proposal that the Fedora community wants feedback on.

Even if it does go ahead, this is minimum 1 year away from happening.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this was meant as a "hurry up and move away from Steam still being a 32-bit app, Valve!" bit of brinkmanship.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think I can hear Bringus sobbing somewhere

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why would they not just use an Arch base like the real SteamOS does?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fedora and Red Hat are innovating image-based operating systems. Universal Blue builds on that work.

It would take effort to port that work to Arch. Arch is also a rolling distro, not updating means not getting security updates. Fedora's release cycle allows them to get more stability, they don't have to be using the latest version.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

When Redhat went Fedora, I learned Debian and Ubuntu. When they decided to flush CentOS, I GTFO even professionally and stayed out of their ancestral distros.

Don't get me wrong, I'm down with change and updating, but they are very focused on making things better/easier for themselves without worries about who they're supposed to be supporting.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

lmao hope this amounts to a bunch of linux newbies learning what distro hopping is.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why would distro hopping be a good thing? I thought that was a problem, hoping from one distro to the next not settling on one. I always see people encouraging newbies to stick to one and learn how Linux works.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Until they distro hop back to Windows because they just want shit to work.

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