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I understand the historical significance since the nationalists retreated to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War.

Back then, and for perhaps the middle part of the 20th century, there was a threat of a government in exile claiming mainland China. Historically, then, there was your impetus for invasion.

However, China has since grown significantly, and Taiwan no longer claims to be the government of mainland China, so that reason goes away.

Another reason people give: control the supply of chips. Yet, wouldn’t the Fabs, given their sensitive nature, be likely to be significantly destroyed in the process of an invasion?

Even still, China now has its own academia and engineering, and is larger than Taiwan. Hence, even without the corporate espionage mainland China is known for, wouldn’t investing in their burgeoning semiconductor industry make more sense, rather than spending that money on war?

People mention that taking Taiwan would be a breakout from the “containment” imposed by the ring of U.S. allies in the region.

Yet while taking Taiwan would mean access to deep-water ports, it’s not as though Taiwan would ever pose a threat to Chinese power projection—their stance is wholly defensive. If China decided to pull an “America” and send a carrier to the Middle East or something, no one would stop them and risk a war.

So what is it then? Is it just for national pride and glory? Is it to create a legacy for their leadership? The gamble just doesn’t really seem worth it.

Anyway, appreciate your opinions thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Evil, Scary China Refuses To Passively Let Us Encircle It: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix – Caitlin Johnstone

That's a pretty good article explaining it. The funny thing is that the US media is always framing China as the aggressor. But one look at that map, like with your real eyes, not the crazy eyes, should show you the US is way out there on someone else's doorstep and who the aggressor is. That's just geography.

Personally I don't think China is going to invade Taiwan unless things escalate further. For example, the Russian perspective on the Ukraine is that the US supported the regime change through the NED, helped far right elements overthrow the democratically elected regime and then supported their stance to ban Russian language, oppress Russian speaking populations in Ukraine and supplied them with massive amounts of arms and intelligence. All of this is true historical fact. And in that situation even the chief of NATO Stoltenberg publicly said that Russia launched a "preemptive war" in response to this quasi-NATO membership right on their doorstep. If the US does the same with Taiwan, China might invade. That particular gabit is rather unlikely to succeed in Taiwan though, and Taiwan is far less dangerous to China than a hostile well supplied Ukraine is to Russia (only like 500 miles from Moskow). The smart play for China if that happens is to play rope-a-dope until the US gets tired. Kinda what Iran is doing about the numerous provocations and acts of war against them.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

What does China achieve

The typical bully's satisfaction.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Taiwan is a fantastic launching point for an invasion of China and Taiwan has decent relations with the US and other capitalist states who have an interest in opposing China. Yk how people say Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east? Taiwan could be like that for China if the western powers decided to use it as such. There is already a US military base there. Imagine how the US would react if Cuba had a Chinese military base? This is the main material reason.

Chip manufacturing could also play a role but it is a minor one compared to this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Imo I think the biggest thing is it would be completing the revolution in the sense that the KMT fled to Taiwan and is a holdout, that would be a huge win for national pride and legitimacy for the government. The second biggest thing would be nothaving another country with an army so close to them that is "hostile" to their interests. And then after that there would be a lot of other benefits like absorbing their industry, economic zones, military bases, etc. They would much rather have the modern KMT party win an election and vote to become a part of China, than invade, which while very unlikely is not impossible by any means in the span of decades.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

lemmitors: They hate Taiwan for their freedom!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Money, power, influence, prestige

[–] beemikeoak 1 points 23 hours ago

The lithography machines could easily be reverse engineered.... Mechanically..... Only to find out just how complex the rest of the system is just to get it to even work making crap level chips much less anything respectable near the 3nm level. That would be hilarious. Like when the US left a bunch of helicopters and one of the revel factions got a hold of them...yey! We got the helicopters! Only to find out the helicopters aren't the thing that holds power. Barking up the wrong tree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's like Spain wanting Catalonia to be under control. Why would Spain want to lose control of a part of their own country?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Too bad Taiwan is not part of China.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is though. Both countries claim the other part to be part of the other. Denying that is just western histeria.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Taiwan does not claim that over China.

And just because somebody claims something it doesn't make it true.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Taiwan should be part of China. Taiwan has been ruled by China since the Qing Dynasty.

A Democratic China, that is, not this CCP infested bullshit.

Had the ROC won the Civil War, I doubt anyone would complain about China having HK, Macau, and Taiwan.

For most westerners, the support for Taiwan Independence is mostly a democracy vs autocracy issue, not a independence vs re-unification issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry tankie. If a bunch of people leave a country they shouldn't be considered property. Re-unification is Chinese propaganda. Most of Taiwan doesn't want that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

While i agree with you. Taiwan is none of the usa business and usa involvment is a security risk to china

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's up to Taiwan to decide who they want to be allies with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Not by threatening china security . Security concerns is the right of every single country. Isn't hypocrital that one side has the right to support allies unconditionally but the other side not?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

West taiwan should become a part of taiwan. West taiwan is rule by a rough back stabing rebellion. :3

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I mean that's exactly what I'm saying.

ROC should retake mainland and unify China into a Democratic Nation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The same Russia gained from invading Ukraine, I guess: securing themselves from future, final NATO aggression by proxy.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no NATO aggression. You're spreading Kremlin propaganda

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mean, the Americans + European vassals literally couped, bombed and invaded several countries in the past few decades and only those with the military capacity to stand against them haven't lost their sovereignty but okay. Nvm the shitton of American bases surprisingly placed in very geopolitically relevant spots, lol, they're just for decoration I'm sure. Or how up until not that long ago there was a 'United States Taiwan Defense Command' 🤷🙄.

C'mon man, unless you're aware and just getting paid for this (I doubt it), your ignorance is dangerous. And you better shake off that imperialist propaganda cause trust me it's not gonna help when the empire runs out of easy foreign targets and comes home knocking...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Imperialism is good if the other team does it? Come on.

Besides, nobody was going to attack Russia. 1. they have nukes, 2. everyone who tried in the past has lost due to geographic and military realities, 3. they were supplying (and still are!) lots of fossil fuels to Europe, and 4. they have nukes.

All other recent conflicts near european Russia like Georgia, Moldova (both Russian imperialist aggressions) and Yugoslavia (it's complicated) were limited, minor skirmishes on more or less neutral territory. Hardly a threat to Russia as a nation or even its role in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hi, Eastern European here. We begged to join NATO. We kicked and screamed, wheeled and dealed, anything we could to get that coveted NATO membership.

You know why? Because we've been dealing with expansionist Russian imperialism for our entire histories. Different coats of paint in different time periods, but it's all the same shit. The US is an empire, but at least here it's preferable to Russia's imperial ambitions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Seems like you're just talking about the USA and not NATO.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, Taiwan is going to be in NATO. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand what I meant or you're not arguing in good will. Or you and everyone frantically downvoting are just having a gut reaction because of your propagandised brains. Check what MacArthur said about Taiwan: the overall idea hasn't changed, just the resources allocated to it and its organization...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're seriously using the guy who was removed for refusing to follow orders (orders to stand down and NOT escalate) half a century ago, to argue NATO's current position on the defense of Taiwan?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Street cred.

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