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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

No shade on people trying to make sustainable choices, but if the solution to the climate crisis is us trusting everyone to "get with the program" and pick the right choice; while unsustainable alternatives sit right there beside them at lower prices, then we are truly doomed.

What the companies behind these foods and products don't want to talk about is that to get anywhere we have to target them. It shouldn't be a controversial standpoint that: (i) all products need to cover their true full environmental and sustainability costs, with the money going back into investments into the environment counteracting the negative impacts; (ii) we need to regulate, regulate, and regulate how companies are allowed to interact with the environment and society, and these limits must apply world-wide. There needs to be careful follow-up on that these rules are followed: with consequences for individuals that take the decisions to break them AND "death sentences" (i.e. complete disbandment) for whole companies that repeatedly oversteps.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Billionaires have the carbon footprint of 30k families and this bitch here is saying I have to give up my car and my burgers.

What a stupid post to get blocked over.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The single best thing you can do for the climate is not existing. The next best thing is not having kids. The lifetime of consumption of a person is out of the equation without that person. Until we figure out how to live sustainably on this earth, overpopulation is a real problem.

Edit: To be clear, I want you to still exist with us in this world. Especially since I don't believe in any kind of afterlife. I'm just stating a tough truth with no clear action statement, besides maybe figuring put how to live truly carbon-neutral. Some things are just a catch-22.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

You first, buddy.

If not, this is just a slippery slope argument to "those other people shouldn't exist/have babies". That's just the door to eco-fascism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not calling out any single group, but speaking broadly about all humans. How does that jump to "those other people"?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We could really use a movement to get more people to try adding beans, peas, and tofu to their grocery list. I wasn't able to stick to not eating meat, but sticking to eating less meat by adding alternatives to my grocery list turned out to be quite easy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I gonna be honest: Tofu is a completely underrated food. If done right it tastes absolutely fucking awesome. You can also put it onto bread and there are plenty of different flavoutlrs that you can easily buy in a supermarket.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've got a special trick where I can make pretty much the entire internet rage at me. Check it out:

I'm vegetarian.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine how being vegan makes you the most horrible pariah. Change of diet was not difficult at all, but I wasn't quite prepared for the social consequences.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

What social consequences?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Nobody cares lol

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eating meat also means lots of animals have to suffer just for yout pleasure. I know people get triggert real fast if you mention how bad eating meat really is. It's like a drug for some people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Meat is a key food group on which majority of the world relies on live off.

Flying on the other hand is 100% discretionary but it seems people who whine about eating meat have zero problem going on vacations.

When hypocrisy is called out, they will have a melt down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Can we just not do both? Thanks.

Also, alternatives to flying include cars ($$$ + muuuch slower + only slightly less bad) and public transit (requires collective buy-in and can't happen overnight).

Most people can just drop meat on a whim, but I can't just magic a US High-Speed Rail network into existence. I'll continue to support the CA HSR with my vote and my tax dollars, and continue to take my rare vacations to locations within driving distance, but these aren't really equivalent changes.

There is a much more robust set of existing alternatives to meat than there is to flying, at least in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lol this person is obsessed with bringing up this point.

β€œShit, the meat industry is all types of fucked up. Maybe we should cut down.”

β€œHave you ever been on a plane though? If so, everything you just said cancels out. All your points are moot. All your effort is for nothing. I am very intelligent.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

This needs to be normalized by calories. Soymilk and soybean oil shouldn't be that far apart.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Are bilionairs white meat?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Beef is overrated. Pork, poultry, and wild caught shrimp are where it's at.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And not having any children!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (6 children)

What bother's me about these sorts of posts is they don't give people a consumption goal. Blindly telling everyone to consume less isn't exactly fair. Say, for example, there's person A who consumes 1 unit of red meat per month, and person B who consumes 100 units of red meat per month. If you say to everyone "consume 1 unit of red meat less per month", well, now person A consumes 0 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 99 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Say, you tell everyone "halve your consumption of red meat per month", well, now person A consumes 0.5 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 50 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Now, say, you tell everyone "you should try to eat at most 2 units of meat per month", well now person A may happily stay at 1 unit knowing that they're already below the target maximum, they may choose to decrease of their own accord, or they may feel validated to increase to 2 units of red meat per month, and person B will feel pressured to dramatically, and (importantly, imo) proportionally, reduce their consumption. Blindly saying that everyone should reduce their consumption in such an even manner disproportionately imparts blame, as there are likely those who are much more in need of reduction than others. It may even be that a very small minority of very large consumers are responsible for the majority of the overall consumption, so the "average" person may not even need to change their diet much, if at all, in order to meet a target maximum.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (11 children)

i’ve replaced beef in my diet with kangaroo for exactly this reason… it’s not the same, but it’s great in its own right and contains a load of iron. makes cutting beef out much easier

bonus: roo populations have to be managed otherwise in modern australia they tend to multiply uncontrolled and it’s a problem, so it’s either eat the meat or waste it… roo meat isn’t farmed

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (11 children)

You forgot number one: By far, the best thing you can do for the climate is not have children.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (35 children)

I could devote all my time to recycling, reducing carbon emissions, not driving, voting, not eating red meat, including forcing everyone i know to do the same - and the net result would be an iota of a drop in the ocean of change. i.e. nothing.

As others have said, until there is a global shift on how the world operates and the major oil companies, cruise lines, and airlines all shut down, nothing you or i can do will matter.

Edit: folks still don't get it. It's not a matter of apathy, it's pragmatism. You will never, ever convince enough people to make a significant change relative to the big consumers. You will be dealing with the people who literally pollute and consume out of spite, and/or principle, or ignorance. For every thing you do, someone's doing the opposite. We failed the planet a long time ago though lack of education and giving too many greedy people power. The world is too large and the snowball is over the hill.

The amount of fuel used by the cruise industry in about 1 minute, on average, is more fuel than you or I or any normal person would consume in their entire lifetime, by a lot. That's on the low end. They consume 500,000 to 1.5 mil gallons an hour. The average person uses maybe 20 to 50k gallons their entire lives. You'd have to convince millions and millions of people to stop driving completely for 40 years to offset that. Tens of millions probably.

Not gonna happen. That's just one industry.

Everyone's not gonna just stop flying. Or stop driving. Or stop eating meat. It's idealistic and impossible and frankly imaginary, no matter how much it may be necessary.

Why waste your time and energy doing things that will do nothing? Focus your efforts elsewhere. Policy change probably has the best chance of helping. But then I point back to the people actively and purposely thwarting any attempts at curbing consumption, and these people are billionaires etc. And at least in the USA, running the country.

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