De-amalgamate now. Fuck the suburban councillors.
this post was submitted on 10 Jul 2025
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But one Toronto MP, who asked not to be identified to speak freely, said the mayor didn’t act because of her electoral considerations.
The next municipal election is scheduled for fall 2026, and a recent poll found that 53 per cent of residents disapproved of Chow’s performance.
Chow was elected mayor in a 2023 byelection, winning just over 37 per cent of the vote. She dominated the central wards and won most of Scarborough, but lost in suburban Etobicoke and North York.
The areas that blocked sixplexes (Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough, with the exception of Ward 23) are also the areas most resistant to density, and where council opposition was strongest.
The MP said Chow’s decision on sixplexes is an effort to “hold on to every vote” she won in the suburbs north of Bloor Street while reassuring her downtown base.
I hate that too often politicians base their decisions on what could happen in futire elections.
I mean almost none of them prioritize their civic duty and what's best for their constituents anymore. It's all "But what about my re-election!" bs now.
I hate that too often politicians base their decisions on what could happen in futire elections.
I struggle with this point. Isn't respecting their constituents' democratic wishes their civic duty? Isn't this exactly what you'd want from a mayor or city councillor you voted for? If she steamrolls her voters, they'll elect a John Mandatory who promises to listen to them and they'll reverse the zoning changes. On one hand what constituents want could be counterproductive, on the other, going against their democratic wishes is also counterproductive. The only case where I can see steamrolling them is if you can make a change so quickly, so that they see the material benefits from it and change their mind as a result. Otherwise I think you have to get the democratic buy-in from people for the changes you make. E.g. work with councillors to propose solutions to what people resistant to density are afraid of, or give them something in exchange, in order to get enough buy-in so that that changes and likely you survive the next election. Meanwhile rezone parts of TO that aren't as opposed to density.
But make no mistake, very few people want construction projects going on around them for years, without anything to soothe the pain. If you tell them you'll freeze their property tax for 10 years because the new development would pay more, then they may be okay with listening to construction noise for a few years.
I don't mind construction noise too much but if I had the choice to have it or not have it, and didn't see a good reason to have it, I'd vote for peace and quiet. Now I do see there's a good reason so I would've voted pro-density if I was in TO (am just across the border in Peel), but the west end of TO around me is full of "Fight the Height" and "Stop the Lot Split" signs.
make no mistake, very few people want construction projects going on around them for years, without anything to soothe the pain. If you tell them you’ll freeze their property tax for 10 years because the new development would pay more, then they may be okay with listening to construction noise for a few years.
Canada has a very high immigration rate combined with strict zoning rules.
The result? The country is facing the worse housing crisis in the Western world. Rents have increased at double digits. Visible homelessness has skyrocketed. People are ending up on the streets. Landlords are abusing vulnerable women.
Olivia Chow claims to be a progressive fighting for ordinary people.
That turned out to be a lie. If you live in a country with a major housing crisis and oppose making housing more affordable, you aren't a progressive.
I'm aware of all that. It doesn't address the mechanism I described which prevents or reverses progressive changes if enough people are against them. I'm trying to explain why change isn't happening and what's needed for it to happen in our system. What I'm saying is no amount of scoffing at Chow or whoever else we elect would help get out of this mess unless we and our representatives convince enough people on the ground to vote for building housing. Chow was elected with 37% of the vote, not 50 or 80.
I hate that too often politicians base their decisions on what could happen in futire elections.
Yes. This is the shittiest way of rEpReSeNtInG tHeIr CoNsTiTuEnTs while ignoring the needs of a growing majority of the population.
I don't get how 6 plexes make North York or Etobicoke worst. Zoning allows 2 4plexes side by side?
But if we actually start increasing housing supply the real estate investors won't make as much money
Home owners/capitalists do appreciate scarcity. More/denser housing units is more city property taxes, more retail availability and income taxes/revenue, and more jobs, also more tax revenue. All of that supports more housing demand and higher property prices too. If you were the only one left in Toronto, I guess you wouldn't need/have any services. But property value would go down from $200/sq foot rental value to $1.
Values won't drop because for the most part we aren't destroying existing housing but demand is still increasing. Toronto is still growing we are just expected to rent out individual rooms and basements instead of building new, real apartments because somebody who bought 40 years ago is worried a couple of sixplexs will ruin the "character" of neighborhood.