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[-] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago

It's like the man who only starts caring about women's rights after he has a daughter. Like, ok, I guess it's nice that you've come around, but you couldn't have exhibited basic humanity earlier? ffs you presumably had a mother, a wife/girlfriend, sister, female cousin, female friends, female coworkers so even if you require a personal connection, couldn't you have gotten there earlier?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They don't actually care about women's rights, they just want to protect their property. And of course, they're constantly lusting over young girls, so by means of projection, they assume that everyone else is too.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

I know an ultra-conservative who suddenly cared about gay rights after his daughter came out. I’m sure the timing was entirely coincidental.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

That's Leagues better than the alternate, at least they showed growth.

But theres a systemic selfishness about "I don't care unless it directly affects me or my loved ones".

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

True, but I’d also like to add that he only cared about gay rights for his daughter. The rest of them can get fucked, apparently.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How would gay rights for only a single person even work?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

You must suspend logic in order to understand the conservative.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

They are just selfish.

Things only matter if they affect them

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Well, that's certainly better than remaining homophobic and disowning his daughter, which is the story we most often hear, sadly...

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

God forbid we have empathy for those brought up in shitty environments and learn.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

It's good they they grown. But it's more of a "about fucking time" rather than "thank you for becoming less of a cunt"

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Just popping in to say this is also the key difference between Lawrence Kohlberg's 5th and 6th Stages of Moral Development.

What most people don't know about it is that not everyone will actually reach the 6th Stage. It's more of an opt-in. The vast majority of society functions at around the 5th (probably much lower these days).

So if you fall outside this category, you're likely far more emotionally developed and matured than the average person.

Kudos

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I am fairly confident everyone I know IRL operates at stage 1-3? Where do you live, I want to move.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I used to work for a beloved cable company whose name rhymes with "bombast", and they made damned sure that our iOS apps met federal accessibility requirements. Because they faced $1 million dollar per month fines from the FCC if the apps failed accessibility testing. Otherwise they would not have given two shits about blind people.

[-] zipzoopaboop 10 points 3 days ago

Same energy as people who don't understand how people can be good without the threat of eternal damnation to keep them in line

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

"What keeps you from raping and murdering people??"

"I...have no desire to? Do you?"

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

The amount of religious people that earnestly answer "yes" to that retort confirms for me that religion is a poison

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I lost a friend to religion because he said he couldn't work out his morals and couldn't figure out what his values should be.

What was happening is that his family were supporting Trump mindlessly, but he felt uncomfortable with it because he has a young daughter and feels really apprehensive about Trump’s history and allegations among other things.

So his solution? Turn to Christ. His family’s Church said that Trump is chosen by God, so he can now support Trump without a conflict of conscience as long as he "allows the Lord into his heart" so he turned from a cool guy who liked games and rock music and goth chicks to weird, straight-edge, "clean living" disciple of Christ who doesn't stop preaching and trying to convert everyone around him.

Yes, that was literally his reasoning and his solution, and he is fine with it. This is the average American median voter.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

The kicker is that disabled infrastructure also helps you now if you aren't disabled. Ever acknowledged the existence of lowered curbs at intersections?

There's no reason not to improve our infrastructure

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I have not always been perfect, but by and large I keep in my what I was taught since childhood to be empathetic, kind and be helpful without asking anything in return. As I grew older, I realised that not everyone were taught the same and thus don't have the same values. That said, I realised that if I want to persuade others, I incentivise them by stoking their egos and showing how doing things could be beneficial for them.

I don't think humans are purely selfish and egocentric, and having ego is not necessarily a bad thing. We are complex creatures that can't be put into one box of category. But sometimes when ego rears its head, you kinda have to provide carrot and stick incentives to get things done.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Everyone should care about accessibility, because it also improves things for non-disabled people.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Literally the curb cut effect

[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Sure. If you need a selfish reason, most accessibility features end up helping everyone else too!

Voice assistants, curb ramps, audio books, subtitles, etc

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Curcut effect is like real life phisical manifestation of karma.

Do good stuff for people who need it, and that thing will also benefit you directly.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

When the latter doesn't trigger the empathy, I resort to the former. Some people are just too focused on their immediate surroundings to extend their empathy beyond their immediate family. That's an issue in itself, but whatever discussion is going on in OP is not going to address that

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Of course, but that is not how our species' brains work, so take the positivity you can get.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I don't think it is about equality but more equity

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Both of those terms might as well be ancient Pharaoh curses to the average modern American median voter.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Sure, but you aren't going to convince selfish people with that argument.

You know, the ones who need to be convinced?

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Some people don't have empathy so they need to adopt that first argument as their ethos. Well more often than not, they don't even do that.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Also accessibility makes life easier for anyone, even if noone were disabled.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

New parents, old people and people on their phone walking all want accessibility.

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