As someone who is trapped down here with these lunatics... please send help...
this post was submitted on 28 Jan 2024
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I'm trapped here, too! While I'm not happy about the situation, I'm incredibly excited to see all of my old history teachers get shit on when Texans find out that:
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While we CAN split into 5 states, we CANNOT form our own country without repercussions. The concept of Texas returning to its own country is not in any constitution nor agreement. While there is an agreement that we can become multiple states, it's redundant when compared to Article IV, Section 3 of the US freaking Constitution.
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We're not the only state that was once it's own country. Hell, Hawaii was not only its own sovereign nation, it was a fucking kingdom. Other than being the biggest, dumbest, and drunkest, no part of our previous classification before joining the Union is special considering that Vermont was its own country 40% longer than we were.
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As long as we're dispelling ignorant Texas myths, no we're not the only state who can fly their flag at the same height as the US flag. Literally any state can. They're called flag codes and they're insanely easy to find and read. You'll find that most self-avowed "patriots" tend to breach the most flag codes.
There's no such thing as "Texas pride" anymore. It's all been replaced with ignorance and disrespect. The last time we got drunk and punched our landlord in the face, we spent 10 years boisterously bragging about how cool it is to be dirty and homeless while quietly crying to our northern neighbor and begging them to bring us in off the streets. And while we told everyone that one of things that made us so cool was how hard we shit our pants when we ~~defeated Mexico~~ got abandoned by Mexico like a parent too disappointed in their child to even argue anymore, we got so desperate for a new mommy or daddy that we considered going home with anyone who made the mistake of looking at us while walking by:
But even while coming to prize independence, Texas found itself weak and bankrupt, newly menaced by a Mexico that never recognized her right to exist. With historical repercussions that can only be guessed at today, the country’s leaders seriously considered taking Texas into the British Empire.
So, to our future Piss Baby in Chief, I dare you to try. My city alone has a shocking number of military bases and I'm sure any one of them can easily get foreign-leader-killing drones in the air within seconds of having a new enemy holding US troops hostage.
I’m excited for the wannabe domestic terrorists in West Texas to realize that sparsely vegetated and habituated scrubland is a drone operator’s ISR wet dream to thwack pickup convoys, and have a public come-to-Jesus moment before decrying this pointless dick measuring contest. Any kind armed rebellion without near total collapse of the federal government, is a fantasy
You don't even need drones. Insurgents aren't particularly technical, and tend to use unsecured communications that are easily pinpointed for a precision HIMARS or smart artillery strike. Ask the Russians how it went for them. They lost thousands in Ukraine because soldiers used cellphones to call home to Mama - calls processed through Ukrainian cellular towers.
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I’m also trapped. We should group up.
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A non-amicably seceded Texas is doomed as a country. No food, drugs, or medical supplies from the rest of the country. No parts to repair their oil wells or vehicles (made by businesses in other states). Companies like John Deere would be forced to brick all equipment in Texas. Then the US government imposes sanctions on any country doing business with Texas, and businesses outside Texas are restricted from doing business in Texas. Nobody comes to their rescue when the power grid fails in an ice storm or a hurricane blows through the state.
Face it. States are too interdependent to cut ties with the rest of the country.
Nothing would make me happier than to see those braindead republicans catch the car, so to speak. They have absolutely no foresight whatsoever, they just think they can pray for a viable government into existence. Texas is such a joke and they think all the other states are just jealous they aren't Texas, lol embarrassing.
Texan here. The vast majority of us don’t want to secede and think this is crazy. Please don’t curse us along with the monsters that are ruining our lives.
And before the “just move” train starts, a lot of us would like to, but we need access to our current support systems to survive, and can’t detangle our lives from our area at the drop of a hat.
The vast majority of us don’t want to secede and think this is crazy.
Maybe they don't want to secede exactly, but I'm not so sure they think this is crazy. Although the demographics in Texas have shifted some in recent years, Abbott was still elected with more than a 10% margin, and polls seem to indicate that a majority of Texans support him on this issue. I don't doubt that most of the people you know agree with you but Texas is a big state with a very large rural population, and most of them very much believe Texas has the right to defend its own border with Mexico.
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I understand what you're saying, and it's nothing personal against you. But, can I ask what are you doing to help? If being cursed with the consequences of personal comfort and complacency is what it takes to create actual change for the people that Texas so be it. I'm sure the majority don't like it, it's embarrassing, but what are they doing? Are they calling/emailing/writing to leadership? Are they voting? Are they encouraging their family members to vote? Until the majority get active against this insanity it's going to get worse.
As it so happens, yes. My family has been politically active as Texas progressives for almost 100 years now, and I’m part of that chain. I’ve been at the protests, made the phone calls, signed the petitions, and donated the money I can spare. Furthermore, I have a lot of friends who have been doing the same.
We aren’t all complacent down here. Our state has been heavily gerrymandered to the point that we need a lot more than a simple majority to win an election. We’re doing everything we can, but anyone looking at the Republican Party right now can see that it is a huge and dangerous organization. They use smoke and mirrors to make their control in this state seem a lot more absolute than it actually is.
Edit: I also wanted to add that when you call your Texas representatives, they don’t answer the phone. Shame doesn’t sway these people, which is why our best hope is changing demographics and getting out the vote.
All I have to say is keep up the good fight. I know not all of Texas is like my family who are trump humping bastards. Keep fighting, I hope you guys can make some progress and de-program some of your peers but I know it's an uphill battle. I don't even live there and I'm exhausted with it all. I truly truly appreciate what you guys are doing. I don't even live in Texas and I'm exhausted with their politics. Good luck, rooting for you from the East Coast 💖
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Brexit showed us that situation like this the 'bigger person' in the conflict will try not to starve millions of people to death and will not simply cut them off. We as individualise would surely like to see Brits/Texans suffer all the consequences but politicians are usually more pragmatic than this and have to think long term. Turning Texas into 3rd world country wouldn't do any good to anyone. Blocking supplies as some sort of collective punishment would simply be immoral.
Of course they are not going to secede but if they did they would still get all the supplies they need. Their economy would suffer greatly but they would just blame US and keep going.
I mean, we've also seen a lot of cases of the exact opposite. It's entirely a question of which position is held to be long term better not just to the parties in question, but to the actual politicians as well.
The UK is more valuable to the EU as a less favorable trading partner than as a pariah, and there was no plausible way for the EU to convince it's members that there was any course to take other than letting them leave exactly as fast as the treaties said they could.
They made it about as painful as they could while fulfilling their treaty obligations.
There is no defined legal mechanism for a state to leave the union. There's no long term incentive for politicians to create one. There's no individual incentive for one either, at the national level.
Punishing secessionists to maintain precedent would be the only viable move for any politician.
Of course you don't let them starve, but you also don't let ships into your territorial waters near areas with violent insurgents, and you warn your neighbors that trade will suffer if they're found to be supplying said insurgents.
It's literally the position of the US government that secession is not possible, not just "not permitted".
States didn't seceed during the civil war, they were never their own country, and any treaties or legal actions taken by their supposed governments have no weight.
Don't look at it through the lens of "how would the US treat the new nation of Texas", but "how would the US treat the armed rebels in the state of Texas".
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I would absolutely expect Texas to throw a fit that they would be treated like a foreign country that now has to do trade deals and visas and shit rather than just a cool super state that can do whatever they want.
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I think if Texas does secede it will still have trade partners. I have a feeling it would ironically be Mexico and even China could mix in Russia in there too. Basically anyone who hates USA.
Radical isolationists having trade partners? LoL who? Mexico has far more reasons to hate TX alone than the remaining 49. They could basically write off Europe and the Middle East.
Ok yeah. Russia would be all over them. If they could bypass the US blockade.
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Why would Mexico trade with a seceded Texas? Would they want to end all commerce with the U.S.?
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Sedition is it?
They're trying to provoke a reaction that they can sell to their media-fueled-paranoid Christonationalists to drive them to the polls.
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They should react, because ignoring this line-toeing is what causes them to just be bolder next time. Remember when all the Republican calls for banning abortion were just rabble rousing for political benefit and they didn't really mean it? Trump telling his followers to fight? Republicans saying trans people are molesting kids?
Ignoring their provocation isn't winning 5D chess, it's paving the way to actual violence. If a state says they're going to block the federal government and calls for aligned states to send troops to support them, you need to shut that shit down.
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The average european:
If America falls we're taking all of you fuckers with us
That might sadly be true.
100% true. We are kind of a tad bit important to the world economy. The way I worded it was over the top for comedic value but when it comes down to it, if America goes down its gonna be an absolute fucking mess for everyone.
The number of countries that pegged their currency to the USD is staggering. If the US defaults for any reason the global economy ceases to exist. Crashed by Adam Tooze is a great deep dive into the 2008 financial crises and goes in depth on how interconnected all the major economies are.
You're also forgetting the general slide into fascism that could have far more dire effects on the world.
I personally welcome my always was Chinese overlord
+5 to your social credit for willfully accepting the CCP.
-25 for engaging with an unsanctioned online community.
That is definitely true, but I will still be laughing on the way down with you ;)
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So the largest threat to the United States is Gregory Abbot...
#alwaysHasBeen
I'm not JAG, but article 142 seems to apply to the Texas State Guardsmen. They're following unlawful orders.
So why can't Texas form its own country?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something, and the words of the messiah's is infallible or something. I get that's it is written somewhere, that's not what I'm asking.
So I don't mean that. I mean doesn't america always bang on about people being able to govern themselves rather than been forced into another government they don't want to be a part of. Like if 60% or hell even 100% of texans wanted to be their own country. Doesn't stopping that go against the fundamental defining block of America.
Couldn't that just get voted on and passed?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something the words of the messiah's work is infallible or something. I get that's it is written somewhere, that's not what I'm asking.
What in the world are you talking about about here?
9 times out of 10 when you talk to an American about something they say "you can't do that because the constitution says X, Y, Z". It always reminds me of Muslims, Jews or Christians talking about their holy books.
Most other nationalities make arguments based on some logic, or reason. If there is a law that stops them they talk about changing it, that isn't an issue. But for Americans the constitution is something that is almost holy. They make arguments based on the fact that the constitution says something not because of any reasoning behind it.
But I'm not American so the argument more often than not falls flat. It's kinda relevant now but that's not what I want to know.
I'll actually rephrase the sentence, in the orginal post as it's a bit crap.
In fairness they do that because the Constitution, and legal precedent surrounding it, is the cornerstone of all federal law, supersedes all state and local laws, and is pretty close to impossible to change in the current political climate. It’s pretty hard to change in more “normal” times!
It's more than that.
You ask as Christian why they don't kill and they will says "God said thou shall not kill". When really the underlying argument is that it is morally wrong to do so ... obviously this point can be fleshed out a lot but for non Christians is not about the book
You talk about how freedom of speech is an ideal that the world and we should strive for more of it and Americans will say "The first amendment says the govement can't censor you. Say nothing about corporations" then all the other Americans are like "haha yea got him" and "perfect explaination. Omg people are so stupid".
When in fact I don't actually care what the constitution says I'm talking more philosophy than "religion" just because your foreign law says one thing doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that differs from it and honestly that isn't a reason for you to have that opinion either.
[Also in researching this comment I realised that freedom of speech is the first ammendment not in the orginal text. So I look a bit stupid, but whatever I can't be expected to know the laws of every foreign country. The point still stands it seems like Americans treat the constitution as holy]
For sure, plenty see it as a static document. They’re known as “originalists” or “strict constructionists.” Many take that a step or two too far into quasi -religion.
FWIW, nobody says the Constitution applies anywhere outside the US. You bring up murder as an example and say the underlying reason is that it’s immoral to kill. So why do we have laws against killing people? I mean we all know it’s immoral to kill, so why do we need the laws? Because not everything that is immoral is illegal. Not everything that’s moral is legal, either. You’re treating two different things as if they were one and the same. Plenty of people will tell you that two dudes getting married is “immoral,” and even cite Bible passages. I feel like you and I would probably disagree with them. This is where law can step in and establish the boundary individuals have to respect regardless of their moral views. Morals are for individuals, laws are for societies because we don’t all always agree on what’s “right.”
I don’t speak of free speech as this all healing thing, and anyone who does is naive, at best. In fact there are certainly plenty of times where free speech has no place. I don’t have free speech at work, for example, and I understand why.
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The moment Texas seriously considers leaving, every business would immediately pull up and leave. There are huge companies in Texas that would pull out to avoid the drama and fascism awaiting a "free" Texas.
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Are you under the strange impression that Benjamin Franklin wrote the U.S. Constitution?
Same reason my child can't declare their bedroom as their own legally separate house
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Legal experts in the US consider the idea of a state seceding from the USA to be a closed question. There is no legal route to secession. The state of Texas would have to go to war with the US to enforce them seceding. It would fail, and abbot would be tried for treason and be sentanced to death.
I know that may sound overblown but it's pretty open and shut, legally speaking
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