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I think I’ll be switching back.
Not possible. The reddit that you're longing for died a very long time ago. Subreddits are entrenched into their positions and will only berate you and bash you if you go against that grain.
What you're describing here isn't lemmy. It's the internet in general.
Edit: Ohhhhhhhhhhh. This explains why you don't want to be here. It's not that this place is an echo chamber. It's that you're petrified of logic and fact.
OP must have just noped out of government and economics in high school.
He probably just hasn’t gotten to that year in high school yet
You just described most Americans, sadly...
My first thought reading the title was "Better check his posting history, probably alt right."
They are certainly outnumbered on lemmy and face factual rebuttals without insulation of echo-chamers.
Slapping the rails like this is exactly the lack of nuance that lemmy has. You're either with us or against us. That's not how people look at issues. What matters is how people are treated. I'm not going to vote for someone who harms people. Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario? Don't even bother.
Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario?
You're not being pragmatic. Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You're taking a different option entirely. Inaction. That is why you aren't respected for your political opinions.
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” - John Stuart Mill (A quote butchered and falsely attributed to Edmund Burke)
Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You're taking a different option entirely. Inaction.
I will admit I fell into this during the first election cycle in which I could vote, which was 2016. I couldn't stomach voting for Hillary after the Debbie Wasserman Schultz/DNC corruption with Bernie.
I dispised trump, but refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. Never again... I'm not a big fan of Biden, but I voted for him and I will eagerly do so again.
I get it. I don't think anyone expected Trump to be as truly horrific as he was. A bad president? Yes. But a nigh dictator? What a lot of us feared but never thought it'd actually happen. But at this point it literally is the option between a mediocre president who could do a lot better and the death of the republic. Glad you see that. Wish a lot of people like OP would too.
Anyone that knew his track record did. He's always been a petulant child. He's also had criminal connections since the '80s at least. He's had ties to Russia since the mid '90s. He bankrupted a casino, maybe two. He's only had one successful business in his life, and that was his "reality TV" show. I saw his face when he won, he was expecting to lose, and nobody in that room was happy when it was announced that he won. They all realized that all their dirty laundry was gonna come out with the level of scrutiny that the POTUS is normally under.
I switched back after some drama with a petty mod. I've found that so far, the quality of content on Reddit just isn't there anymore. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's hot garbage. Unfortunately, the niche content I enjoyed and sometimes relied on just isn't here, so now I flip back and forth between them.
I'm still beyond pissed about 3rd party apps, though. The official Reddit app is a steaming pile that wants to be TikTok SO BAD.
Bye!
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Also nobody should ever own a car ever. Everything should be some form of bike. Firetrucks? Nope, Bike. The trucks that deliver groceries to the store? Bike. People who live in Northern Minnesota who live a 2 hour drive from that grocery store? I don't care if it's minus 8 out get those little bitch legs peddling.
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I use Arch btw. /s
I disagree. I feel that on Reddit, the type of users and discussions were mostly toxic and based on popularity. Lemmy is far from perfect, and there are aspects about it that I feel certainly are lacking, but to suggest that it's a bigger echo chamber than reddit, I find hard to believe. But, if you can provide me with some examples that highlight your point of view, I would be interested.
You can literally predict the comments on reddit these days before looking. It's the same articles, same top comments, over and over again. You try to be original there and you get down voted. Got to stick to the template and karma can be yours :/
People are people, no matter where you are.
Yeah I'm sorry. I just don't give a shit about conservative, racist, pro-genocide point of views. I'm going to stick with the human rights, preferred pronouns, and star trek memed Lemmy. This place still has the fraction of users reddit currently has. You have to be patient for the user base to grow if you want more variety.
I agree for the most part. Most of the top posts on here are left-wing political posts, where often times center-left views get downvoted to oblivion. Don't even get me started on Hexbear, etc.
I wish we had more people making posts about hobbies and such. c/Linux and a few others are rich in content, but so many others (motorcycles, Factorio, etc.) have very little activity. The hobby subs were my favorite Reddit subs.
Not everyone is here for debate and proselytizing. You want to have debates then go scream at people in the streets with your face visible and within arms length of whomever you're offending. I'm here for fine art, painted miniatures, and owl pictures. Those are procured with civility not dumpster fire opinions.
I’m enjoying Lemmy more than I had enjoyed Reddit in a long time. Like everyone says, however, the niche discussion is the bald patch, that will get better with time.
Looking at your profile and what you post, yeah, you'd like Reddit a lot more.
You’re on the internet arguing politics. You’re only going to be happy in an echo chamber in your favor. Arguing about shit that you’re never going to physically do anything about makes zero sense.
Very much agreed, though I'm not looking to switch back. Reddit had gradually turned into a homogenous slurry of astroturf and toxic groupthink. Lemmy lacks the critical mass for both of these to become a problem.
I still find Lemmy a better alternative, because at least I can see opinions that differ from mine. I'll gladly throwdown and get my opinions challenged rather than feel that I don't need to contribute to a discussion.
So you're not a lefty. Lemmy says: fuck the fuck off you fucking fuck we fucking hate you. Source: left but not left enough.
This depends heavily on the instance. I have consistently received this attitude with users of a couple of specific instances. I now just ignore or instantly block those instance users whenever I see them.
That said. You come to a platform inspired from, designed on, and developed by left progressive ideals. You complain about the left. I can picture the pikachu face you're making right now.
Saying that "Lemmy" is an echo chamber is a bit ignorant. Lemmy is a platform; it can he used to spin up an instance with whatever values you like. The fediverse is the same. So saying Lemmy is an echo chamber is a bit like boycotting wood because a politician you dislike stood on a stage to speak.
Having said that, there are instances with heavy political biases. You can block those from your instance and you can block them from you feed.
Lemmy just has an unusually large number of passionate young people on it. Not surprising when you consider the Fediverse as more of a rebellious option looking to upend the dominance of the giants.
Also makes it feisty though. It's kinda on you to make it good for yourself by controlling what communities you sub to though.
I don’t agree with that at all. Just because you don’t agree with the majority opinion doesn’t make it an echo chamber. People downvoting your comment doesn’t make it less valid.
Unlike in Reddit where being downvoted will hide you comment, potentially rate limit you, and users are ranked based on their karma.
There are no algorithmic manipulations on the fediverse. People may not agree with you but they aren’t going to silence you.
The one thing I would agree with you is that there is a segment of neurotic posters that think that instances should defed with any instance that don’t ban users for being conservative because they consider all conservatives to be members of a right-wing hate cult. Those people should not be taken seriously and thankfully the big instances don’t take that approach so you can still have a positive experience on the fediverse without being a communist
Ehhh, it kinda depends on where you are on lemmy. The more you're haunting the politically charged communities and instances, the worse it gets.
Outside of those, it varies more. There's usually a fairly echoey vibe to Linux forward thinking, and you'll run into some with fediverse focused discussions/communities regarding social media.
But, if you're hanging around in either niche subject communities, or in the general communities on instances where politics are not a focus, it's way better because you don't have the peanut gallery of randos as often. But even in some of the bigger instances, you can have great discussions with friendly folks easier than on bigger subs.
That's lemmy though, it's smaller, and composed largely of people that think in a general way because lemmy is by nature an "off brand" thing. There's a huge chunk of the user base that left reddit because they got sick of something about reddit. It skews the vibe a good bit. Whether or not any given person likes that is a different issue.
Yes. In addition, there's a lot of hostility towards different viewpoints. Little acceptance that different takes are valid.
I'm not switching back, but I might not stay here either.
So lemmy is somewhat an echo chamber sure, but I feel if you word it nicely and approach with an open mind you can have really good conversations if you don’t agree with a topic and want to understand more. Whereas on Reddit I find it extremely difficult to have actual conversations
Also sorry for the huge run on sentence