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Biden considering executive action to close southern border, sources say (www.cnn.com)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I won't rehash my opinions, they already been better said here, but I want to add I hate the phrase "close the border". What the fuck does that mean, was it open, did the last one in forget to close the door?

From the article, he is considering taking action "to restrict migrants’ ability to seek asylum at the US-Mexico border if they crossed illegally" which has a lot more nuance and is important to the discussion. So this will specifically affect people who have a legitimate claim to asylum, the border was never "open" to any migrants without it (or a visa).

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Close the border" is ridiculous rhetoric which appeals to far too many of the electorate. Unfortunately, we need to change opinions on the ground before it's no longer viable to use.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I think that's why framing the debate is so important.

This isn't magically closing the border, this is just adding a new punishment for a small subset of people who cross illegally. Whether or not it will be effective is very debatable (if barbed wire doesn't...)
We should be talking more about the backlog in asylum cases, why aren't we providing adequate funding for the courts to do their job.
Why do we make asylum seekers wait so long to seek asylum and get authorization to work, how does this do anything but place a burden on support systems?

And so on. This isn't about stopping immigration, it's about punishing those who do. [Too] Many will still support that, but it's a harder stance to take.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why though? It's been proven and shown with many many video recordings that the so-called "border crisis" is completely made up. Yes, there are a lot of people at the border seeking asylum, but it's not a horde of people a la World War Z forming a human tidal wave crashing over the Rio Grande.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The GOP has cried wolf so loudly and for so long that now no one believes them.

The US-Mexico border is 1,951 miles long. You can't capture the issue with a video or photograph.

And no, it is not made up. See for yourself. Border encounters spiked hard, but dropped just as hard for January. No idea what's going on there.

In any case, look at the yearly numbers for a better picture. For 2024 we'll easily top 1-million extra migrants over 2021's numbers. Yeah, we got a problem.

How are we to employ and house 3+ million souls? And that's just for 2024. This will require a new major city worth of infrastructure, every year. Don't we bitch about rent pricing around here? Hold onto your butts.

And go tell Denver it's all made up. Dare ya.

https://www.denverpost.com/2024/02/21/denver-budget-cuts-migrant-crisis-recreation-center-hours/

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/21/overwhelmed-by-new-arrivals-denver-residents-organize-to-welcome-migrant-populations-decently_6546726_4.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/denver-colorado-migrants.html

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I've keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.

He's the strongest the Democrats can muster, we can't have any one else (but please don't criticize him, he's incredibly weak, a strong breeze will knock him over). Hes the best option we've got to stop a Palestinian genocice (oh except earlier today he vetoed a vote via the UN that could have stopped the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people). But we have to vote Biden because Trump would probably be worse (even though, you know, Biden is the one right now supporting the genocide. not hypothetical).

If you think this delusional policy is defensible, right here right now, you are part of the problem.

NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you'll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny's undead beating heart of evil.

THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.

This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you'll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with 'Day-One Dictator' running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won't be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Biden has lost Michigan at this point. Biden is putting Democratic strongholds at risk with these policy decisions.

We need a new candidate and we need them now. Biden will not win like this, and no amount of water carrying on your part can change that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won't vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are "purity test" losers is...well, its a take.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.

No you don't. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you're a fascist and save everyone time.

You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.

Despite what the internet says, most of America is not that progressive. Else we'd have more progressive candidates down ballot. People love to bitch and whine about how there's no good options. Well that's because America is pretty conservative on a lot of issues. It's not like there's this giant leap from left-leaning to far-right fascists. It's a huge spectrum. People not wanting to recognize this is why we get posts like this.

If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate. Unfortunately that's just not the case. But it is changing. Albeit slowly.

So get out there and campaign or run for office. Because this kind of grandstanding only creates voter apathy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate

In a word, no. The GOP and the DNC actively collude to ensure that no one else can compete.

No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist

So our choices are 1) fascists who support a fascist or 2) ethnic cleansing apologists who are 100% okay with voting for the man supplying weapons and aid to those committing the cleansing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate.

Yeah fucking right. Money is the number one determining factor in candidate success, and after that it is the organizational power of the DNC. How deluded do you have to be to think that ANY third party is going to be able to muster populist support given the current economic & political paradigm. I'm sorry, but that is just so fucking naive I can't believe you even tried to float that.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (11 children)

"Biden considers vague unspecified action on a subject that over 70% of the American electorate considers a problem, clearly Both Sides are Just As Bad"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I consider it a problem and I consider abolishing the border a solution.

We are not the same.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Im sure the democrats will stand up against this like they did when Trump did it. Lol what a joke.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Absolutely disgusting. I don't know how I can vote for this despicable person again. Appalling. Democrats are supposedly the good party?

Give me one reason to vote for this fascist that isn't "he's not Trump."

P.S. Willem van Spronsen was a hero, and I wish we all could follow his example.

Fuck your imaginary border.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Will you vote for the truly fascist trump, or just throw your vote away?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

They'll be in line for the death camps with the rest of us loudly proclaiming "At least I didn't vote for JOE BIDEN"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like the people currently in the death camp that is Palestine?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't realize I lived in Israel and was voting for Israeli politicians?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's right, you're just hoping to fund it all.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I already threw my vote away by voting for someone who continued Trump's fascist border policy. ThRoW yOuR vOtE aWaY wake the fuck up, Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike. All you do is parrot the same tired lies.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike.

lmao.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike. All you do is parrot the same tired lies.

Lol

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what a Trump supporter looks like.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If "he's not Trump" isn't enough for you, you're part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is clearly an attempt to get elected instead of the orange catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Well, let's hope it works.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democrats moving to the right to try and get republican votes isn't a great strategy. But they'll get to blame the left if they lose, and keep moving to the right if they win. Billionaire donors stay winning.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Biden’s team somehow thinks that enacting republican policies are going to win him more democrat voters?

Either that or Biden has been a republican this whole time and is enacting policy he openly supports.

Leaning towards the second option, but man. Biden is going to lose the fuck out of this election.

I don’t think there’s much he could do at this point to win my vote. He’s already doubled down on every issue I care about.

And I’m definitely not alone. Fuck neoliberals.

And fyi. I don’t fucking care if the other guy is worse. Please stop saying that shit over and over again.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Biden thinks you will vote for him no matter what, and so is going to focus on winning over so-called "moderate Republicans"

Watch him get even worse as the election gets closer.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

In my humble POV I believe closing the border with the #1 business partner of the US isn't a good idea.

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