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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a fan of yours, Flying Squid - I like your comments and posts.

And this meme is so very true. If I may quote someone named "John Rogers", who I don't know very well, but can find his words by searching "ayn rand lord of the rings orcs", here is something that I think others might find meaningful:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! That's very kind of you. And yes, I love that quote. Also, this comic:

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

found this a good read: https://onlysky.media/alee/why-libertarian-cities-fail/

i love their point about atlas shrugged. all the rich "Dooers" have retreated to a single valley, while the world falls into chaos without the billionaire ruling class.

In this valley, everything is prestine. You have untouched forrests, fields, perfect lakes.

And somehow, you have one guy logging the forest making enough lumber for a city of a hundred, despite the forest being untouched. you have fresh oranges and coffee... despite the world falling apart. you have a single doctor, and no hospital, ect ect.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a very true Tumblr post that goes "it's really annoying, because "Atlas Shrugged" is such a raw title. The titan that holds up the world on his shoulders decides "no, fuck this shit" and shrugs. For it to be wasted on a book that's just "I hate poor people, actually." Is a travesty"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm an absolute waste of oxygen moron so for the first time ever i'm realizing what the title meant... Thanks! Lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Could be worse, you could be agreeing with the contents.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm neurodivergent and fell for this shit hard. It's actually pretty embarrassing to look back on. Luckily, I got better

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

This is good. Many people fall into this trap and never realize they’re trapped; they’re convinced it’s everyone else that’s trapped

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've read several books in the Objectivists library, including Atlas shrugged, the fountainhead, and the virtue of selfishness.

For a certain kind of person, I do think they have value in showing a different ethical/moral framework. To wit, if you have been raised on the principal that you must always sacrifice your own happiness for others, then Onjectivist philosophy is quite novel and can actually be helpful in moving towards a more self-actualized thought mode.

For most others, however, it can turn you into a raging a-hole.

In terms of how tenable the overall principles are in practice, just remember that Rand herself went on social security.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like this take.

I think about those who like American Psycho or Breaking Bad, and even see themselves as those characters, unaware that those characters were assholes and emulating them makes you a bad person.

Where others see how f'd up the system is and these two are pushing the limits of what's acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, are there people who see themselves as Patrick Bateman? Walter white is a bit of a stretch too, but Bateman.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really people who see themselves as those characters (except the terminally delusional) but people who just idolize those characters because they appear cool or witty or have agency, despite being terrible humans.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I commend you for posting this meme in the correct order. A lot of times I see this posted with the frames reversed so it looks like taking off the glasses is what lets you see the craziness.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

"A lot of times" this is posted by children that have never seen They Live and don't know what it is to be all outta bubblegum.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Ugh.. Embarrassing memories of having read Atlas Shrugged when I was 17 and thinking it was deep...

Francisco D'Anconia was kind of inspiring with his, "I can do that," attitude but the strawman caricature of bad guv'mint was comical.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's only one thing American libertarians hate more than poor people. And it's actual libertarians.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

My favorite part was Ayn Rand's last years of her life was getting government handouts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"No true Scotsman, REEEE!" motherfuckers when I deny the legitimacy of Scotland itself 😎

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read The Fountainhead instead, and it was interesting enough to keep me reading. "Okay, there's a lot of setup of characters and circumstances going on, I am curious to know how this plays out," and then it just ... doesn't. It was all a lead-up to a long, weakly written, and plainly stupid monologue about how completely ruthless all people should be at all times, only ever thinking in the shortest term about themselves.

I closed that book wondering why Ayn Rand was famous for anything beyond being a shitbag, when I was young enough to be kind of a shitbag myself.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

But there is the rape scene which Rand thought to paint in a positive light to read about.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

There's a tech recruiting company called "John Galt Staffing." I don't know if they're run by Libertarians or it's just an unfortunate name conflict, but whenever they contact me, I respond with an email saying that I won't do business with them.

If I had that name, I'd change it. "I just don't know why little Adolf is having trouble with his classmates."

Edit Fixed the spelling of the company name.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's 'Gault,' it's probably coincidental. If it's Galt, almost certainly Randroids.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's "Galt" (and LinkedIn). Reviews on GlassDoor remind me of BioShock.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's like the companies calling themselves Skynet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

so basically you're asking "Who is John Gault?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have a relative who was named Adolph (with that spelling) immediately before the rise of Hitler. I think he kept it on the, "Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks," logic, but I'm not sure.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ayn Rand was the villain all along?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Ayn Rand was the villain of her own novels, ho died on welfare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real villains were the friends we made along the way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wtf is going on with his hand? Is this an AI image or something?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair it's a universal truth that artists hate drawing hands lol

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If you mean "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, it's all muscle.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

"How to commit to the bit" by Ayn Rand.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

"Everyone on this train deserves to die"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Galt's Gulch was much more Socialist Commune than libertarian.

Money had no use as Ragnar was running around distributing gold to everyone on a regular basis, John Galt had built a literal free energy machine and was giving the power away AND giving vanishingly cheap lectures on how to build one. Even the scarce resources (like the only car in the entire society) were being rented out for 50 cents a day.

Plus all these fiercely competitive supercapitalists would just step aside and just allow competitors to operate with no challenge. The iron mine, and coal mine were all running at industrial scales to serve a town of a few hundred (they had robot labour and free energy) and when the copper miner just showed up they just let him stake a an exclusive claim and start digging with no issue.

I highly recommend Adam Lee's critical readthrough on patheos.com https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/series/atlas-shrugged/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just like that step one of Rand's utopia is violating the laws of physics. It can't work if energy is scarce, so her solution is magic.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can someone explain me, why is it bad to think about yourself? This book teaches you, how to first think about yourself, than others.

She(or Nathan) wrote, that if you do something with "I want this, so I do this" manner, that isn't great. The formula should be "This should be done, because of some rational reasoning, so I'll do this". If you are not involving others right to think/live/freedom.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the beginning of the story our so called heroes run their train through a red light because they don't want to be late for a meeting. That's not thinking for yourself. That's not even thinking period. They are gambling not only their own, but dozens of other peoples lives to avoid a minor inconvenience. This is far from the only example of this happening.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you please tell me the chapter, I don't remember this moment, to be honest. I would like to reread it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The scene in question is on page 23.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (44 children)

This book teaches you, how to first think about yourself, than others.

No, it doesn't.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Ayn Rand is a dumbass that encourages atomization of humanity, when humans are a social species. Placing the self over the whole is where we get fascism.

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