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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Easy. Take a wire that is exactly 1 meter long. Form a circle from the wire. The circumference of that circle is 1 meter.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"exactly"

uh huh. and how are you measuring that?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now the engineers and/or scientists are crying

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't need to, it's defined. (Lol). If you take a circle with a circumference of 1, then its circumference will be 1... I think I might have lost some braincells reading this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He obviously meant to say how do you measure that it’s exactly 1m, even when still in a straight line. Exactly being the key word here.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I don't have to measure it. I stick under glass and define it as the standard which all other measurements are derived from.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will be measuring it in meters. One. There you go.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Ok, you got another source of water - physicists.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not true. If you define the circumference in terms of pi, you can define the circumference exactly.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Putting things in base 10 is also a definition. Digits aren't special.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Was going to say the same. Also π isn't infinite. Far from it. it's not even bigger than 4. It's representation in the decimal system is just so that it can't be written there with a finite number of decimal places. But you could just write "π". It's short, concise and exact.

And by that definition 0.1 is also infinite... My computer can't write that with a finite amount of digits in base 2, which it uses internally.

So... I'm crying salty tears, too.

[Edit: And we don't even need transcendental numbers or other number systems. A third also doesn't have a representation. So again following the logic... you can divide a cake into 5 pieces, but never into 3?!]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can pi be expressed with a finite amount of digits in another number system?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about a pi based system, then pi is 1.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't think there's any technical reason we can't count in base pi

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

That doesnt make a difference. You can find the exact circumference of a circle, you just cant express it in the decimal system as a number (thats why we have a symbol for it so you can still express the exact value)

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pi = 4! = 4×3×2 = 24

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Omfg why can’t I figure out why this does not work. Help me pls

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it's because no matter how many corners you cut it's still an approximation of the ~~circumference~~ area. There's just an infinite amount of corners that sticks out

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s just an infinite amount of corners that sticks out

Yes. And that means that it is not an approximation of the circumference.

But it approximates the area of the circle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

True, thanks for the correction

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

It's a fractal problem, even if you repeat the cutting until infinite, there are still a roughness with little triangles which you must add to Pi, there are no difference between image 4 and 5, the triangles are still there, smaller but more. But it's a nice illusion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you never make a circle. You just make a polygon with a perimeter of four and an infinite number of sides as the number of sides approaches infinity.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The lines in this are askew and it's mildly annoying

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They're there to askew why the logic doesn't work.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's say you got a circle with radius 1/π...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

came here for this

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nasa uses 15 digits of pi for solar system travel. And 42 digits is enough to calculate the entire universe to atomic accuracy

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And 65 digits is sufficient to calculate the circumference of the visible universe to within a Planck length.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, calling pi infinite makes me wanna cry, too.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not if your diameter is d/pi. Then your circumference is d, where d > 0.

Check mate atheists.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well now you can't find the radius

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Check mate matheists.

Ftfy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Technically you can't measure anything accurately because there's an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 0. Whose to say it's exactly 1? It could be off by an infinite amount of 0s and 1.

Achilles and the Tortoise paradox.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Joke's on them, tears are too salty to provide hydration.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

The circumference of a circle with a diameter of 1 cm is exactly π cm. There you have it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Bah, the universe is too messy and disordered to be worth the trouble

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Besides measuring it with a measuring tape.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah, the Euler identity. 3^i ^3 -1=0

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