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that is because zelensky and europe don't want peace.
Ukraine already made peace when they gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for Russia's promise that they would respect Ukraine's sovereignty in the Belarus Memorandum in 1994. A promise which Russia broke repeatedly.
Russia has demonstrated over and over again that it will not abide by its own peace agreements. Russia cannot be trusted to honor any treaty. There can be no peace so long as Russia is a duplicitous kleptocracy.
"In 2014, after a well-prepared[3] US-sponsored anti-Russian coup in Kyiv, Ukrainian ultranationalists banned the official use of Russian and other minority languages in their country and, at the same time, affirmed Ukraine’s intention to become part of NATO. Among other consequences, Ukrainian membership in NATO would place Russia’s 250-year-old naval base in the Crimean city of Sebastopol under NATO and hence U.S. control. Crimea was Russian-speaking and had several times voted not to be part of Ukraine. So, citing the precedent of NATO’S violent intervention to separate Kosovo from Serbia, Russia organized a referendum in Crimea that endorsed its reincorporation in the Russian Federation. The results were consistent with previous votes on the issue.
Meanwhile, in response to Ukraine’s banning of the use of Russian in government offices and education, predominantly Russian-speaking areas in the country’s Donbas region attempted to secede. Kyiv sent forces to suppress the rebellion. Moscow responded by backing Ukrainian Russian speakers’ demands for the minority rights guaranteed to them by both the pre-coup Ukrainian constitution and the principles of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). NATO backed Kyiv against Moscow. An escalating civil war among Ukrainians ensued. This soon evolved into an intensifying proxy war in Ukraine between the United States, NATO, and Russia."
from former ambassador chas freeman. you know what came after this ? a brokered peace agreement by osce france and germany in which various terms were settled which neither france, nor germany, nor ukraine were intending to uphold. this is the minsk agreement.
there's a lot you like to leave out, and i'm sure you'll deign to forget this history, too.
edit: to the one user who upvoted me: i see you, bless your heart and open mind- more than makes up for the dozens upon dozens of salty idealogues
You say coup, rest of the rational world says anti corruption revolution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
you may notice the "quotation marks" and the attribution. 'revolution of dignity' lol
Citing Crimean election results from a nation that “keeps overwhelmingly voting Putin into office, as his opponents are too dead to run” is a bold move.
What the fuck source are you even quoting from?
NATO aggression is one of Putin's favorite talking points. If you're just going to parrot his propaganda then no one rational should listen to anything you have to say.
Where "backing" means "sending Russian military across the Ukrainian border illegally in order to conduct an invasion based on a flimsy pretext", yeah, Russia backed them.
isn't it possible russia has just cause to fear nato build-up on their borders?
Ah yes, from all those times NATO invaded Russia, clearly.
OK so now you're admitting that Russia broke the peace intentionally because of 'fear', and moving the goalpost you set earlier about Ukraine not wanting peace.
Classic bad-faith argument practice.
yes russia broke international law, but everyone and their mother knew about putin's position and pressed it until it was determined from russian perspective that there was no alternative. by the way, international law-- why is it that the USA/israel can ignore it with impunity?
You're moving the goalposts again. Stay on your original point or shut up.
referendums... Lol, right...
If I steal your car and tell everyone that I won’t steal more from you if you just let me keep your car… you’d be good with that?
if you're a country and 9 out of 10 of your papers are funded by USAID, you'd be good with that?
I’m sorry but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
i was hauling 20 percent of china's tea in my car when you stole it.
Is this a joke about how westerners don't understand what the opium wars were about?
If they have the gun and you don't, what's the alternative?
But you do have a gun
Tell me you're an American who has never left North America without telling me.
another thing you can be confidently incorrect about.
Oh, you went to Australia once. I'm sorry.
He’s probably Russian.
Nah, posts like an American who started with good intentions but has taken America bad to mean that places that oppose the US therefore must be good/better.
The speech by the former US diplomat they like to post is worth a read, as despite some odd dubious or cherry picked data the conclusions are bang on the money, and it is right about it all being a very real politik, not actually good for Ukraine, approach by the US and NATO.
It also has the former diplomat state that Europe (that famously single and unanimous entity), as well as Zelensky (at least before 2024) and Ukraine want peace, and the US and Russia are both more involved in prolonging war to better their own outcomes.
Did you already get the “hate magnet” achievement for having the most downvoted account? If not, you’re definitely getting close.
redditors spamming the disagreement button doesnt make them any more right or wrong by the way
Lmao.
I could believe that of any major country directly profiting from this. But what's your reliable source for all that, especially Zelenskyy?
okay now that i've given you what you asked for and its been subsequently downvoted, maybe you'd like to share some of your wonderful and trustworthy sources?
edit: lol, second time some weirdo has gone through my entire comment history and downvoted everything i've posted in the last days. stay classy!
Uh, no. I literally just read your reply right now. But you can be confidently wrong about all that.
i said 'some weirdo' sorry if you feel that i'm implicating you. still waiting on your sources though.
That can absolutely be me, but you were wrong, so by circumstance doesn't apply this time. The intent was there nonetheless.
And I'm still waiting on yours.
Considering the type of shit you say? Well deserved.
i may disagree with you but i don't think you deserve malicious bad faith actors attempting to smear and undermine you for your beliefs... i offer dialogue, i answer questions i'm asked, i try to maintain a semblance of approachability-- i am met with insults and brigading. the type of shit i say is not in a vacuum, i don't suppose you read any of the vitriol i am responding to when i lose my better self to slap back here and there.
Well your account is only 3 weeks old, so surely can't have too many posts
306comments / 21days... about 14.5 comments per day- the bulk of them come from entrenched arguments and my addiction to receiving even more downvotes and baseless insults.
i want to break russia in two and merge the western states into europe and the eastern ones into china or one of the stans
Russia doesn't want peace. Russia wants Ukraine
That doesn't seem to be what Chad Freeman thinks on the matter.
He seems to post that the US and Russia are pro-continued war, while Ukraine (and Zelensky) would (obviously) like it to end, though probably not at the cost of both Russian occupied zones.
US and Russia both gain from continued warfare, so poor Ukraine is stuck in the middle.