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It seems that there are a lot of Israelis that believe that there are no innocents in Gaza. And one could argue that it's possible that a significant majority of the population is hateful towards Israelis, considering the history.

If you agree with this argument, can you please explain why and elaborate? And if you don't, how would you refute it? There is no data that shows that there isn't a significant majority that's hateful towards the Israelis.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not stating my opinion as I want to hear an unbiased opinion from you.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Its like with Nazi germany. Sure not literally ALL germans supported hitler but they also just didnt do enough to stop him. When your children are killed by people with israeli flags, its hard not to hate the whole country.

That doesnt make them guilty of anything other than hatred however. The amount of people in gaza actively involved in killing israeli civilians is close to zero. Killing soldiers occupying your land is not great but arguably not morally bad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There were literally thousands of Hamas fighters who entered Israel by land, sea, and air on Oct 7, 2023. They captured and held territory, killed 1200 people, kidnapped hundreds more, and committed war crimes. Hamas claims that they have/had 10s of thousands more fighters. The scale of these numbers is undisputed.

How is that "close to zero?"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They killed ~800 civilians according to Israel, but Israel has refused any independent investigation into these numbers and their causes of death. Likely the number was much lower and a lot were killed by Israel fire in the confusion or under hannibal directive.

The number of Hamas fighters that actually had civilian blood on their hands was at the time of the attack surely not in the thousands, because how can multiple people kill a single person.

After 16 months of bombing, arrests and starvation the number of hamas fighters alive that have actually killed any Israeli civilians is bound to have dwindled to a fraction of the initial number. All that is left are military forces engaged in war with other military forces.

All the while tens of thousands probably more than 100k univolved gazans have been killed by bombing, gunfire or starvation.

In terms of hatred im sure most gazans would be happy if Israel crumbled, but people are to be judged for actions not thoughts.

A whole different topic of discussion is whether settlers occupying and partying on internationally disputed territory should be considered civilians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

A whole different topic of discussion is whether settlers occupying and partying on internationally disputed territory should be considered civilians.

That answers your opinion the "no innocent Israelis" question.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thousands compared to a population of over a million is very negligible. Even if every single one of them actively targeted civilians. 'A negligibly small percentage' is sometimes colloquially referred to as 'practically zero'.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's about 1.4%

Israel lists about 160000 active duty IDF. That's about 1.6% - practically zero according to you?

USA active duty is about 0.6%

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It's not like they came out of nowhere. If they were framed as the Rebellion in a dystopian movie, everybody would be cheering for them. Probably asking why the other 98.6% of the population aren't participating.