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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Tomatoes, peppers, and potatoes are native to the Americas. That means that before Transatlantic trade, there were no hot peppers in China, no potatoes in Ireland, and not tomatoes in Italy.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That's why if you ask someone in Bologna how much tomato to add to your Bolognese they will chase you out of town with a kitchen knife.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is weird, considering the dish was only invented in the 19th century, so tomatoes were absolutely available.

Italian cuisine in general has way less tradition that people think.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's documented serving. You don't seriously believe that a slow stew on the basis of meat, wine and misofritto only appeared in the 19th century?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, but at what point would you start calling it bolognese then? It's every meat/wine stew from Bologna bolognese?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

When do you call something a continent? Just vibes, I guess. All I am saying is that the dish has a much longer history than 200 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

What did they use instead?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Tomaytos.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Oh hey is that like the Irish stew with Potaytoes instead of Potahtoes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Just gotta let the meats dissolve

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine many common Indian dishes without tomatoes or chilis. How about the popular trope of a Native American on horseback? Horses went extinct in the US many thousands of years before Europeans arrived with a different kind. It's amazing how quickly the cultural exchange happened so long ago.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Tangential fact: syphillis originated in the Americas, likely from llamas. It's the only instance of a transmittable disease to be imported to the old world.

This also makes me a bit annoyed at the show 'Apothecary Diaries" as it depicts syphillis existing in China in the 700AD

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Alright, everyone, who banged tina‽

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

They also depict a mushroom that only grows in Japan growing in China but the show is pretty anachronistic overall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought Romans had syphilis and that's why they were bald

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Romans had lead poisoning

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Only the rich ones though right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Not sure, everyone's water came in lead pipes. The wealthy had more lead though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

The wealthy Romans deliberately added lead to their wine to make it sweeter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For some reason I thought only the rich had plumbing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

All the people living in cities