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I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
GASP!
You mean... Proper capitalism!?
Okay there's a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don't . . . connect it. Or whatever.
Which of them are you talking about?
Yes
Right.
I suspect you know this, and your post is sarcastic. But just in case:
Most cars have their own embedded SIMs nowadays. They're already connected. You can't disconnect them.
No, I haven't bought a new car in many many years.
That's absolutely unacceptable. I would have the dashboard pulled out in minutes. Wherever the modem is, it wouldn't be there for long.
Hahahah, fuse go brrrr.
Jokes aside, they probably shut off the car if it can't phone home within a certain time period.
That's equivalent to buying a subscription to a car. I would never buy that car. That's koo koo bananapants unsane.
Of course, I don't have a facepals account either so - what do i know.
Yeah. I have a car that has telemetry. Sucks for privacy, but if I was going to commit a crime, I would just ******************************************************************************, use the system to obfuscate the data.
And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
I dunno, ICE cars weren't on my list to start with. I assume.
I don't know that they're out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money
I think a lot of it is also growing their market share and establishing their brand.
Brand recognition is important, but it's a dangerous game operating mostly on government subsidies. Once you have established low prices it's hard to reverse it
Competition is fierce, but they are not exactly struggling due to government subsidies/incentives. These are so extreme that Chinese manufacturers are over producing and dumping "used" EVs with zero mileage for export.
Similar to US agricultural dumping, this is a terrible policy for everyone, except for the beneficiaries of the subsidies, and maybe the overseas consumers who get cheap EVs in the short term.
China's Zero-Mile 'Used' EVs Are Flooding Global Markets - https://insideevs.com/news/763687/china-zero-mile-used-evs/
So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
If you don't see musk as one of the singular greatest threats to this planet, I dunno what to tell you. It is certainly not just the salute, that was just the most public he's been about his true self. If I recall those Nazis had some thoughts on the Holocaust as well.
I really don't. Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, all are actual threats. Musk doesn't even register.
How many of those got up on stage with the seal of the president of the United States and did one of the most identifiable actions of the last true fascist regime? musk was able to spend $250 million to pretend to be president for a few months to kneecap the US government and kill all the investigations into his illegal dealings as well as reward his companies with lucrative government contracts. I'd love to see any of those tinpot dictators and "communist" leaders do that.
Putin is the head of the paper tiger Russia. If they didn't have nukes the US probably would have steam rolled them back in 2014 when they took Crimea. If the world actually gave Ukraine the weapons and resources to do it, I have no doubt they could be at Moscow's door in a couple months.
Kim Jung Un is the head of a pariah state who relies on worldwide aide so that his people don't starve more than they already are starving.
Sure Xi is the head of the state in which there is obviously genocide happening, but he's not running a car company, which is what this whole article is about.
Riiight. Listen, this isn't going anywhere. You think a salute is worse than a genocide, musk is a greater threat than dictators with nukes, and there's no way I'm going to change your mind. I'm going to peace out
In a couple months a drug fueled musk did to the US what Xi and Putin have been trying to do for decades. It most certainly wasn't just his salute that made me think that.
You could change my mind if you brought any information to the table that shows how those two are worse than musk.
Enjoy your day.
Xi became president for life almost a decade ago, Putin ignored term limits in like 2008. Musk is failing to do what they have done, and he doesn't even express any real power over the president given he hid his role from the courts and left the white house with a black eye.
And? I concede that both of them are doing their best to end US as a superpower, but when was the last time either of them cost the US $500 Billion in tax revenue as well putting 283,000 Americans out of work in just 4 months? Again this all goes back to a car company that isn't run by Xi or Putin. Tesla is run by a Nazi.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/irs-cuts-doge-musk-watchdog-b2776213.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5278325-doge-layoffs-job-cuts-report/
You could make the argument that Russian interference helped give us Trump in 2016 and that Chinese Military run TikTok's promotion helped him in 2024, so yes those two actually did do that pretty recently, yeah.
You sure could argue that. Correlation doesn't equal causation. You could also contribute trump's 2024 win to the 10 million less democrats who decided not to vote. I doubt all 10 million of those were because of tiktok.
musk didn't own twitter or contribute $220 million to trump's campaign in 2016 either.
No, correlation doesn't equal causation, but causation certainly is causation, so maybe those violent dictatorships aren't better than the third one they're attempting to create.
With that level of indirection gymnastics, you can accuse anyone of anything.
(This comment written in the language of a brutally colonizing and genocidal empire.)
Canada?
They speak English too
Hahaha.
As opposed to supporting a country that... (fill in the blanks, there is an infinite supply)
Since you proudly champion the rights of Uyghur people, you are aware that the reeducation camps are closed since about 2022, right?
i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business world?
this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality ;)
I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don't own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.
Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.
So did you mean "CEOs not throwing a Nazi salute" or "CEOs whose Nazi salutes don't show up on your twitter feed"?
It seems you forgot what your argument is in a span of two rebuttals
You should work on your reading comprehension then
To be fair, I think most of USA is on recreational drugs, legal, illegal, or “prescription”. That shouldn’t matter as much compared to his other actions.
what he does in his free time is one thing (i don't care about that), being high when he is ~~working for a government~~ ruining people's lives and jobs is another.